Why all the UFO Reports Lately?

[jono]

Your post makes very little sense. It is one thing is to create a hologram from one point to to be visible from one vantage position and it is order of magnitude harder to create a hologram that is visible from multiple vantage points and is multispectral to boot with. Let alone be "visible" in say X & S band radars...and let alone simultaneously in multiple mediums (air/water).

This was the article I referred to--not the one previously linked, sorry for any confusion on that:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-baja-surfaces

In that description they point out that the F-18's couldn't detect what they were looking at, but the ships and the high overhead radar saw something that looked like a wave and couldn't be continually tracked. Flip the assumptions in other directions and this particular incident seems less outrageous is all I'm saying. Obviously that's not an explanation of other sightings.

[MultiVerse]

For all the talk about UAPs/UFOs as non-terrestrial objects, if such things existed wouldn't the bigger story be the physics more than the technology?

If aliens somehow managed to visit from beyond our solar system that would have enormous ramifications for how we think about physics. It would mean there's a New Physics, that something like superluminal velocities or temporal dimensions or the multiverse exists.

[tetzen]

That Drive article was good reading. Certainly makes a very compelling case that most of these sightings have entirely terrestrial explanations. It still lacks when it comes to the tic-tac video though and accompanying witness reports. I think I'm willing to allow there being a rational terrestrial explanation for it as well. But, hard to say about those acceleration speeds being witnessed. I suppose one potential explanation would be for multiple drones being linked and flashing their radar signatures on in sequential order to give the appearance of a fast moving object. That's just pure speculation though. I sure hope we get to see more videos from all of this. Those are the most intriguing.

[XXX-er]

In grade 4 the teacher introduced us to the debate using the the question are UFO's real ?

the smartest girl in the class pointed out if something is flying that you can't identify its a UFO and won the debate

probably a poor question for 10 yrs olds learning what a debate is

[CarlMega]

In grade 4 the teacher introduced us to the debate using the the question are UFO's real ?

the smartest girl in the class pointed out if something is flying that you can't identify its a UFO and won the debate

probably a poor question for 10 yrs olds learning what a debate is

A semantics argument? I'd crush her.

[neufox47]

Man I hope these aren’t really extra terrestrial craft. If they are I’m afraid they are increasing their reconnaissance and we are about to be exterminated. Shitty timing for me, having a 2 year old and my wife is 9 months pregnant.


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[MultiVerse]

A short story written by a redditor to put everyone's mind at ease:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nosleep/com...radio_silence/

[Dantheman]

The number of planes whose radar saw nothing outnumbered those that saw it, though, and the ones that did were looking from high above. Ship radar seeing something at or near the water seems consistent.

All I'm saying is that it's easier to explain "stealth" as a bug than a feature. If the goal was to create the impression of a physical object defying the laws of physics then you'd want it to be as detectable as possible. Maybe the fact that it "disappeared" wasn't intentional.

I'm not really trying to offer a specific explanation, it's just an example. Point being, it's a step away from Occam's Razor to assume a violation of the laws of physics and then explain the inconsistencies as advanced stealth tech. A couple more steps between microwaves and space lasers to natural phonomenon and people making stuff up, of course.

The ship radar was supposedly tracking them as high as 80,000 feet, not just near the water. But, yeah, maybe. I don't have the faintest idea how such advanced optical projections work or how you'd create one that was visible in so many different parts of the spectrum so it's hard to wrap my brain around the idea, but it certainly solves the apparent velocity issue. Credible people seem to think it was an actual physical object, though.

[Meathelmet]

The ship radar was supposedly tracking them as high as 80,000 feet, not just near the water. But, yeah, maybe. I don't have the faintest idea how such advanced optical projections work or how you'd create one that was visible in so many different parts of the spectrum so it's hard to wrap my brain around the idea, but it certainly solves the apparent velocity issue. Credible people seem to think it was an actual physical object, though.

I'll leave it here for Jono and others "tinfoilers": For example the Forbes article has some links/info on different kind of projections and possible uses for different projection technologies and Mick from Metabunk has quite solid take on the phenomena as well. I think I linked Metabunk in the beginning of this thread. Interesting reading from people (de)bunking various trending "news" as well.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidha...asma-ufos/amp/

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/200...1.9190/page-17

[jono]

Wow, that Forbes article is speculating exactly what I was speculating. So I expect we're both wrong, but that's kinda cool anyway, thanks for posting that!

[Core Shot]

[Dantheman]

That Forbes article is definitely interesting.

[east or bust]

This thread triggered me to go back and relisten to the GRE podcast with Fravor and the other one with with Bob Lazar.

I find the contract between the two podcasts pretty striking in regards to the credibility of each guest. I won’t completely reveal my thoughts but Lazar sounded really shaky in the beginning to the point that he was making me skeptical of his story, seemed more genuine the further it went along.

Fravor on the other hand has a solid experience that was witnessed by multiple people, radars, etc. IMO there is no way he is bullshitting this, and it wasn’t a blip in the radar.

I listened to the Lazar podcast second, and although I was pretty skeptical in the beginning, things started to line up and make more sense as he got farther along into his story. However, there are still a few details and general vagueness that have me wondering.. Like: one of the guys they brought in before him was killed working on this vehicle, that they had 9 vehicles - some different than others, his general story of the time period that he supposedly worked on the vehicle (although I read that someone was able to corroborate that he indeed worked at S-4), and his claim that they actually were able to fly it.

His general explanation of how something like this would work is extremely interesting to me. Basically describing the fuel source as a massive power plant, one that would need to be strong enough to create its own magnetic field. In fact, he claimed that when they were able to turn it on, he couldn’t physically touch it.. which is another suspicious claim in my book, not the part about being unable to touch it, more so that they were actually able to get it running... for something that allegedly had no wiring whatsoever.

Anyway, all this got me thinking about some of the old government programs to construct a nuclear powered aircraft, except from what I've read all of those projects were more in line with convention aircraft propulsion systems, and they all lost funding before ever putting something in the air. I need to do more reading, want to check if the time lines match up between these projects losing funding and some of Lazar's supposed work at the S-4 site..


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[BobMc]

I seem to remember a thread about weird shit seen, but has anyone seen a UFO?

I’m sure I’ve posted about it before but back in the early 2000’s the wife, kids asleep, and I were headed out to the Notch peak area to camp and trilobite dig. We’d left a Friday night after work which was 9:00pm at that time. We were driving between Eureka and Delta on highway 6 in a pitch black farmland area when a bright ass light came down along the road. It kept with us for a few hundred yards and then jetted off into the distance.

It went so fast my wife thought it disappeared, I distinctly saw it leave a trace in my vision as it sped away. We both looked at each other and said, “What the fuck was that!” It was bright as fuck and illuminated the road around us, and then left far faster than anything I’ve ever seen.

[ötzi]

That was my fleeting youth.

[AK47bp]

Man I hope these aren’t really extra terrestrial craft. If they are I’m afraid they are increasing their reconnaissance and we are about to be exterminated. Shitty timing for me, having a 2 year old and my wife is 9 months pregnant.


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Sounds like perfect timing.


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[ötzi]

It'll definitely be cheaper.

[east or bust]

I seem to remember a thread about weird shit seen, but has anyone seen a UFO?

I’m sure I’ve posted about it before but back in the early 2000’s the wife, kids asleep, and I were headed out to the Notch peak area to camp and trilobite dig. We’d left a Friday night after work which was 9:00pm at that time. We were driving between Eureka and Delta on highway 6 in a pitch black farmland area when a bright ass light came down along the road. It kept with us for a few hundred yards and then jetted off into the distance.

It went so fast my wife thought it disappeared, I distinctly saw it leave a trace in my vision as it sped away. We both looked at each other and said, “What the fuck was that!” It was bright as fuck and illuminated the road around us, and then left far faster than anything I’ve ever seen.

This came directly out of Cmdr Fravor's mouth in the JRE podcast. The below came from a shitty podcast transcript site so the grammar is terrible, but you get the idea...

"...so when you put on night vision goggles they amplify light, like a lot, so you can see a campfire like 50 miles away. so we used to know a good spot way down in like El Centro California, there's a range that there's some bombing ranges but people go camping in the Superstition Mountains which is a kind of north and west of Imperial, but I forget what it is the Springs it's real prison, the desert, it'll come to me in a minute. so we would go out at night flying around on goggles and you'd see a campfire and you go UFO time. get the airplane going about 600 knots, and then you pull the power back to idle so you can't hear it and you get zinging towards the fire. you turn the lights are all down because we're in a restricted area so we can do that, and there's lights on it that you can only see if you're on night vision goggles, so the other airplanes can see us but no one else can see us. then you go sing it at it and then right when you get to the campfire you pull the airplane into the vertical and stroke the afterburners, you let them light off and you count to three and then turn them off and then you just go away... instant UFO Reporting"



So in short you were probably just getting fucked with by a fighter pilot

[abraham]

Anyway, all this got me thinking about some of the old government programs to construct a nuclear powered aircraft, except from what I've read all of those projects were more in line with convention aircraft propulsion systems, and they all lost funding before ever putting something in the air. I need to do more reading, want to check if the time lines match up between these projects losing funding and some of Lazar's supposed work at the S-4 site..


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Is this what you had in mind? That's the only us one I know about. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_NB-36H

[BobMc]

I live near a major fighter base, I’ve watched F16’s hot foot it out of Hill many times while fishing on Willard, got a pretty good feel for how they move. I also know how those things sound, they make a lot of fucking noise. This thing was silent.

[jono]

This came directly out of Cmdr Fravor's mouth in the JRE podcast. The below came from a shitty podcast transcript site so the grammar is terrible, but you get the idea...

"...so when you put on night vision goggles they amplify light, like a lot, so you can see a campfire like 50 miles away. so we used to know a good spot way down in like El Centro California, there's a range that there's some bombing ranges but people go camping in the Superstition Mountains which is a kind of north and west of Imperial, but I forget what it is the Springs it's real prison, the desert, it'll come to me in a minute. so we would go out at night flying around on goggles and you'd see a campfire and you go UFO time. get the airplane going about 600 knots, and then you pull the power back to idle so you can't hear it and you get zinging towards the fire. you turn the lights are all down because we're in a restricted area so we can do that, and there's lights on it that you can only see if you're on night vision goggles, so the other airplanes can see us but no one else can see us. then you go sing it at it and then right when you get to the campfire you pull the airplane into the vertical and stroke the afterburners, you let them light off and you count to three and then turn them off and then you just go away... instant UFO Reporting"



So in short you were probably just getting fucked with by a fighter pilot

I want to light a campfire in the Superstition Mountains now.

[muted reborn]

Man I hope these aren’t really extra terrestrial craft. If they are I’m afraid they are increasing their reconnaissance and we are about to be exterminated. Shitty timing for me, having a 2 year old and my wife is 9 months pregnant.Sent from my iPhone using TGR Forums

I'd like a couple months of fun, like concerts and trips, before I have to prep for the alien apocalypse. Couldn't be worse timing really.

I seem to remember a thread about weird shit seen, but has anyone seen a UFO?

Yeah, camping near The Gorge in some sand dunes. Night before Tool and Snoop Dog played at a Lollapalooza there. We didn't have tents, we were just sleeping on the sand with sleeping bags looking at the sky and talking. Then some weird small light wayyyy up started darting around in unexplainable directions for a good while. We all saw it. Then it shot across the entire sky in a matter of seconds. THAT was crazy. Back then I was sober so no alcohol or drugs explained to me what all 3 of us saw at the same time.

Still, I'm not going to fully admit I BELIEVE. But I saw something impossible.

Then maybe 4-5 hours later we woke up to dirtbikers buzzing us within 10 feet while we slept. I hope those guys get alien extermination first by some death ray.

[Meathelmet]

Wow, that Forbes article is speculating exactly what I was speculating. So I expect we're both wrong, but that's kinda cool anyway, thanks for posting that!

I have not been wrong, ever.

Talking about the article; 3d/volumetric holographs are still speculative with current tech and our understanding of physics. Limited projections (spectrum, PoV, etc) have been done either in theory or small scale lab environments. Check out the history of holography for example.
But my main point (and what metabunk thread clearly stated) was the nature of multispectral+radioreflective holograms...or rather the (im)possibility of them showing up on radar as well due to the nature of radio wave attenuation in plasma. Google up some theories around "Plasma Stealth", a lot of shit reading but some interesting takes as well. For example, A-12/SR-71 was prototyped (Project KEMPSTER) for some stealth features utilizing plasma fields around its inlets.

[jono]

I got that, but I don't think plasma is the only way to do that, and I didn't take that to be the argument of the Forbes article, either. Scale up a beam to take out ICBMs and the options are a lot different from a portable projector.

There are ways to explain this that don't require new physics and ways that do. The headline grabbing ways are going to get more clicks. Especially if you can bring it around to protecting your vital brain waves with the tinfoil that's already in your kitchen; that's compelling on a grand scale.

[Lone Star]

this is not possible, that is not possible, but aliens..... likely.