2019 4frnt Renegade Changes?

[Judo Chop!]

thanks Sam.

yeah, but is it blue?

[4FRNT_Skis]

thanks Sam.

yeah, but is it blue?

I can in fact promise there is blue and maybe a hint of black in there!

[cravenmoorehed]

Hello 4frnt, please don't add any sidecut to any of your skis, don't make them softer, and don't add any positive camber. Long lengths rule on reverse camber skis. Rough top sheets suck, can't put offensive stickers on them. Pilsner graphic bring it back. Also, light skis don't ski as well as heavy skis! Build a mono ski. Mono skis are making a comeback.... my 2 cents.. Let the ikon pass holders buy Rossignol, Dynastar, etc. Don't sell out.

[skinipenem]

Just ordered the 2020-2021 ren 191. Really hoping the quality control is on point. Pretty sure my owls were duds (which I always wondered but have pretty much confirmed through reading this thread and, run on sentence, pisses me off) as they performed incredibly on very steep pow plus airs, but sucked elsewhere. The owls I demoed prior to ordering mine were amazing everywhere; hold my dick amazing everywhere except hardback of course. Should have bought the demos.

191 will likely be a nice length for me as I'm only 5'9" and would have welcomed them slightly shorter than 196. Slightly softer shovels might encourage earlier planning and less potential tip dive on lower angle necessary evils?

Here's hoping.

Note: 4frnt guarantee makes it a much easier decision.

Been skiing the kye 120s instead for the past years. Solid ski. I reviewed it elsewhere. Doesn't have the hold my dick no speed limit slash and burn of the old renegade. There is something really special feeling about a high speed renegade turn on a steep powder section.... fingers crossed.

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[gaijin]

Did you ever run your Owls through a base grind? If they only performed on steeps, maybe the tune sucked but the issues became less noticeable with speed.

My Rens begin to suck when the wax wears off. Very sensitive skis, imo.

But I’m also a tune snob.


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[skinipenem]

Did you ever run your Owls through a base grind? If they only performed on steeps, maybe the tune sucked but the issues became less noticeable with speed.

My Rens begin to suck when the wax wears off. Very sensitive skis, imo.

But I’m also a tune snob.


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Yep base ground and tried different tunes. The I think the rocker was different on that pair. Say LA vie (spelling notably completely incorrect and to lazy to google.)

Looking forward to the new ones... and hopefully get to some snow to since living in a world of ice these days.

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[skinipenem]

2021 renegades in hand see post in main thread.


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[skinipenem]

Did you ever run your Owls through a base grind? If they only performed on steeps, maybe the tune sucked but the issues became less noticeable with speed.

My Rens begin to suck when the wax wears off. Very sensitive skis, imo.

But I’m also a tune snob.


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Thread resurrection... accidentally came upon this thread when thinking about base and edge bevel for pow skis; specifically, the modern rens.

I think the issue I had with the owls was the binding delta. I have since learned skiing zero delta bindings works for me whereas I can't ski for shit in high heels. I would have never made it as a drag queen.

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[tang]

I think this is the best thread for this. Pretty interesting new 4frnt charger, The Sinister. Some real weight, almost 2400’gr in 186. Maybe a bit wide at 113, seems all mtn is trending narrower. But low camber, medium ish side cut. Cool to seem them bring something new into the mix and on the heavy end, after constantly lightening their line up.
https://4frnt.com/products/sinister

[altacoup]

That sinister looks sick. [emoji640]frnt prices have got pretty steep these days, but I’m just glad they’re still around in a tough business.


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[XtrPickels]

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Quick math - based on the provided spec - has the mount point at about -8.5 (186) which seems back for a bigger twin like this.&nbsp;</p>
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However, I bet that moves toward the center assuming the actual length is shorter than stated.&nbsp;</p>

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<p>
Quick math - based on the provided spec - has the mount point at about -8.5 (186) which seems back for a bigger twin like this. </p>
<p>
However, I bet that moves toward the center assuming the actual length is shorter than stated. </p>

I was also mathing this a couple days ago and came up with 4.5cm for the 186. Which sounds right on the money! The ski looks sick, I'd guess the closest thing to a FWT worthy comp ski they've ever made. Looks like a direct competitor to the SF110 and MF112, though more heft than either of the current versions of those I think. Definitely has my attention, I'd love to be an early adopter... We'll see...

[XtrPickels]

Your math made me re-do my math and I agree that your math is in fact better than my math.