2019 4frnt Renegade Changes?

[nyskirat]

Now this is just bad ownership. You sell them for $599 and screw up build. Then sell them as blems for $399. Where is our $200 refund? We paid full price for blems and now your saying those who come in after our pre orders get a better deal. Done playing with you guys!

Have you inquired if that's possible? I can't imagine they'd shaft you guys like that intentionally. May have slipped their mind?

[4FRNT_Skis]

Now this is just bad ownership. You sell them for $599 and screw up build. Then sell them as blems for $399. Where is our $200 refund? We paid full price for blems and now your saying those who come in after our pre orders get a better deal. Done playing with you guys!

Our apologies on the incorrect pricing, they are still $599 on the Sterbenz's Stash. https://4frnt.com/products/sterbenzs-stash

[arild]

Our apologies on the incorrect pricing, they are still $599 on the Sterbenz's Stash.

Nope,as of 3 minutes ago.

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[Best Mexican Skier from Da South]

Noticed that the initial email stated 15% softer flex, and now on Sterbenz’s Stash states 20%. Really glad now I didn’t waste time mounting. Bastard Renegade is only 4/5 the stiffness intended.

[Mustonen]

Our apologies on the incorrect pricing, they are still $599 on the Sterbenz's Stash. https://4frnt.com/products/sterbenzs-stash

Pretty sure that’s not the correct answer. If you refer back to page 191 of your textbook you’ll see something along the lines of “apologies for the confusion and general fuck uppery. That was actually supposed to be $599 and will be corrected, but since you preordered and have been put through the ringer you have the option of either returning them for a full refund or you can keep them and we’ll send you $200. Shoot me an email at wemakeitright@4frnt.com and I’ll make sure you get taken care of.”

The twelve people who preordered and see your post will be well worth the $2,400 for retaining loyal customers and positive word of mouth advertising.

[Mustonen]

Noticed that the initial email stated 15% softer flex, and now on Sterbenz’s Stash states 20%. Really glad now I didn’t waste time mounting. Bastard Renegade is only 4/5 the stiffness intended.

I’m guessing 5% is well within the margin of error. The situation didn’t change. Just your perception of it.

[Mustonen]

So, sitting over here in the peanut gallery; while I don’t want to pile on, the way this has been and is being handled seems woefully amateurish. I thought, at the least, JLev was supposed to bring professional leadership to the table?

When dealing with a fuck up, the first thing on your Action Item List should be Stop Fucking Up.

[monkeywrenchMoose]

Stop Fucking Up. That is the new model for next year right? The 4FRNT SFU?

[DumbIdeasOnly]

Pretty sure that’s not the correct answer. If you refer back to page 191 of your textbook you’ll see something along the lines of “apologies for the confusion and general fuck uppery. That was actually supposed to be $599 and will be corrected, but since you preordered and have been put through the ringer you have the option of either returning them for a full refund or you can keep them and we’ll send you $200. Shoot me an email at wemakeitright@4frnt.com and I’ll make sure you get taken care of.”

The twelve people who preordered and see your post will be well worth the $2,400 for retaining loyal customers and positive word of mouth advertising.

+1. If you’re selling them as blems anyone who paid full price before they knew about the issue is absolutely entitled to a discount.

[j0z77]

Skis which are used the thinner edges and bases are only Renegades, aren't they?

I bought this season's Ravens 190.
They are much softer than this season's Hojis 187(softer than 2013 Hojis 195) and much much softer than 2012 Ranegades 196.
The thickness of the edges of Ravens seems thinner than Hojis.

[todug27]

Skis which are used the thinner edges and bases are only Renegades, aren't they?

I bought this season's Ravens 190.
They are much softer than this season's Hojis 187(softer than 2013 Hojis 195) and much much softer than 2012 Ranegades 196.
The thickness of the edges of Ravens seems thinner than Hojis.

4frnt customer service claims the raven is unchanged this year. Interested to see if that is the case, considering I have a pair coming in the mail and would rather not receive noodles.

[reckless toboggan]

I'm starting a band.

We're called Jason Leventhal and the 4Frnt Debacle.

[Mustonen]

I'm starting a band.

We're called Jason Leventhal and the 4Frnt Debacle.

That’s catchy.

[Mustonen]

4frnt customer service claims ... Interested to see if that is the case,

This is fucking DEATH!

SFU

[reckless toboggan]

That’s catchy.

We used to be called Jason Leventhal and the Line Skis Debacle.

But I'm sure you've already heard that broken record.

[Mustonen]

Moar thoughts:

If you go to a direct sales model, and you eschew demo days, then your business model is predicated almost entirely on trust and delivering what you say you’re going to deliver. A whisper of doubt in either area should absolutely fucking terrify you. If BOTH are in question? Jesus Christ. 100% satisfaction guaranteed only goes so far. It works for the pretty small cross section of core skiers (your explicitly stated target demo) who have liquidity and fall backs and don’t mind fucking around with shipping skis around. Otherwise, seriously, 4frnt, what in the fuck?? As a longtime 4frnt fanboi who fully intends to refresh my quiver with MSPs and, well, not Renegades, I guess, please, find all of your poop and nicely group it.

[altacoup]

^^^^
I'm in the same boat. I've really liked a lot of 4frnt skis. Love the HALS construction renegades, have 3 unmounted pairs that I've hoarded. Have Ravens, hojis and 3 pairs of ehps. 194 and 184 devestators abs just ordered backups. Is really like to try the msp 99. I've anyways been very impressed with the build quality on the skis built by Elan. However these changes lead me to believe that my 4frnt loyalty will be fading. Not having demos seems like a huge mistake. I've anyways felt that all you had to do was get people to actually ski a 4frnt ski and they're going to like them. I like the pricing they've gone to. Devestators are the same price as a lot of brands pro form. But you have to convince people they're getting a good ski to sell them.


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[markcjr]

At 399 I would almost put them in the quiver but I think I want to try a pair of line pescados instead, not a poke at line, actually do want to try them. And despite all the JLev hate, the guy has been in the game since most of you were in elementary school. Give the guy a break it's his first year with 4frnt, he will work it out, he knows what he's doing, and a fuckload more than most of us do.

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[kathleenturneroverdrive]

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[phallic-menace]

Has anyone heard what the plan for next year's run is? Men's lengths?

[tuco]

^^^Spend time and money prototyping, get athletes to sign off new design, only to change materials last second, untested and hope for the best?

[whyturn]

Has anyone heard what the plan for next year's run is? Men's lengths?

I can confirm 191 for sure. Beyond that I do not know.

[Judo Chop!]

I can confirm 191 for sure. Beyond that I do not know.

bummer

[BskiP]

even hoji himself wont ride the new ones lol.

[Supermoon]

^^ clearly flailing his arms