NSR - LA Times editorial slams Bush

[Phatstix]

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[cj001f]

Ask yourself, what have you ever done to earn one ounce of the freedom that's been given to you?

Make guns and bombs better?

Oh, sorry, back to your jingoism.

[Woodsy]

I say that if you don't like America - get the fuck out! I'm tired of you spoiled son's-o'-bitches complaining about your freedom while you sit behind your desk in safety.
Ask yourself, what have you ever done to earn one ounce of the freedom that's been given to you?

adress the argument, dont slander the people.
why are we there?
how are our friends and neighbors dying for our safety?
answer the question Claire!
I love America which is why i am so pissed that it has been corrupted by these neocon buffoons.
Just because I have never fired a shot in anger does not mean I have not earned my freedom any more than any other American.

And if I was asked to serve while in my prime, I would not have dodged it like Bush, cheney, Rove, Rummy, and Wolfowitz.

[Ireallyliketoski2]

If I don't write code, people die.

[Adolf Allerbush]

I say that if you don't like America - get the fuck out! I'm tired of you spoiled son's-o'-bitches complaining about your freedom while you sit behind your desk in safety.
Ask yourself, what have you ever done to earn one ounce of the freedom that's been given to you?

So I guess what you are saying is that in order to have an opinion about a war one needs to have fought in that war. I'm pretty sure that negates most of the United States population. Your logic really coincides with freedom.

[KevinDineen]

Oh and btw, if Quebec is English then you are probably a moderate.

Moderate suits me just fine. Would you like any more history or poly-sci lessons today, or should I just "Get over it" and "Move to Canada"?

Quebec was the strongest fortress in Canada, the lynchpin of French power in North America and the British knew that if they were able to capture Quebec, the rest of the country would soon fall into their dominion, so in early 1759 they planned the largest attack of the war, a combined force of about 9,000 soldiers under General James Wolfe and a fleet of 20 ships under Admiral Charles Saunders. The British lay siege to Quebec from June 27th until September 18th, when the French surrendered their garrison in the city. This was the turning point of the war, with an eventual British victory all but certain. By the end of the year, the British had control of almost all of North America, other than Montreal and Detroit. By the end of 1760, these two sites fell to the British. Amherst's campaign against Montreal resulted in the surrender of that city in September and one week later Major Robert Rogers took over Fort Detroit. The British had gained all of North America from the French.

This de facto control was confirmed two and a half years later at the Treaty of Paris, February 10, 1763, which gave all of North America east of the Mississippi, other than New Orleans, to the British.

[sea2ski]

[disclaimer: not directed at TeleAl, just referencing his point]

Can we stop pretending he didn't steal the last election? I know the solid proof is buried deep, but ever wonder why all the "software glitches" tallied every vote for Bush and none "glitched" every vote for Kerry? Ever wonder why 1.5 million more Floridians--10 percent of the entire population (not voting population, ENTIRE population)--turned out for '04 than '00? Ever wonder why the republicans were so in favor of computerized voting machines with no paper trail? This is no longer a democracy. Don't kid yourselves. Our country was stolen from us, and the sally ass democrats let it happen with a shrug. The democrats are irrelevant, the repulicans are evil. It's time for a legitimate, moderate-minded third party.

Maggot party nomination time. Let's hear it...

Not to start a flame war but is it really any different than what happened to Nixon in 1960 with the Democratic Political machine in Chicago. History repeats itself that's the problem with history.

Will a third party be any better? Although it may start out with good intentions, it seems to me that even a third party will eventually be doing the same crap to stay in power. Having worked at polls during my life, there is always a way to cheat if you really want to cheat. The honest need to keep the power hungry in check if a democracy is to be successful in the long run. We still have a good system of checks and balances, it's just a question of remembering that and continuing to fight for what you believe is right.

I believe we are going through a period where special interests with money (mainly corporate interests) have learned how to tweak the system for there own benefit. This is probably the most dangerous thing that could happen because it is something most of the founding fathers could never have concieved of in there time. The founding fathers understood human nature but is up to everyone to make sure this is a government for the people.

Ever look at the percentage of people who don't vote? The non voters could change every election in the last 100 years.

[KevinDineen]

Dude are you high? You said in your last post that the country was stolen from us? Hmm, just exactly are you reffering to when you say 'us'? Leave me out this punk.

"Us" would be people who vote for a freely elected government.

[cj001f]

Not to start a flame war but is it really any different than what happened to Nixon in 1960 with the Democratic Political machine in Chicago. History repeats itself that's the problem with history.

Does that make it O.K?

[Steven S. Dallas]

Oh and btw, if Quebec is English then you are probably a moderate.

And if it's French then you are definitely an idiot. What have you done to earn your freedom, before you start crapping on other people (whose backgrounds you don't know)? Are you suggesting that to criticize the current administration you need have fought in a war? Are you saying that this administration's tactics have been completely aboveboard, that there aren't serious legal questions remaining regarding Bush v. Gore, or what? Or are you just being a knee-jerk douche dog? What is it? WHAT?

[KevinDineen]

Is it really any different than what happened to Nixon in 1960 with the Democratic Political machine in Chicago. History repeats itself that's the problem with history.

Nope, it's not... Stupid history, always repeatin' itself!

[DJSapp]

Ever wonder why 1.5 million more Floridians--10 percent of the entire population (not voting population, ENTIRE population)--turned out for '04 than '00?

Ummmm, perhaps due to the clusterfuck in 2000? Just a thought...

As for the rest, it's an interesting idea, though probably impossible to prove. This country is going to hell, and the bible thumping religous right is leading the way.

[slippy]

I say that if you don't like America - get the fuck out!

Random parts from a Dead kennedys song from the 80's:

The stars and stripes of corruption
Let's bring it all down!
Tell me who's the real patriots
The Archie Bunker slobs waving flags?
Or the people with the guts to work
For some real change
Rednecks and bombs don't make us strong

Real freedom scares you
'Cos it means responsibility

So you chicken out and threaten me

Saying, "Love it or leave it"
I'll get beat up if I criticize it
You say you'll fight to the death
To save your worthless flag
If you want a banana republic that bad
Why don't you go move to one

I'm thankful I live in a place
Where I can say the things I do
Without being taken out and shot
So I'm on guard against the goons
Trying to take my rights away

Our land, I love it too
I think I love it more than you
I care enough to fight

The stars and stripes of corruption
Let's bring it all down!
If we don't try
If we just lie
If we can't find
A way to do it better than this
Who will?

[CS]

This country is going to hell, and the bible thumping religous right is leading the way.

You ever consider that maybe those bible thumpers are just trying to keep the country from going to hell?

[grrrr]

I say that if you don't like America - get the fuck out!

I love America. It's you closet dick-sucking fundamentalist jesus-freak flag waving pork barrel propagandists I don't like.

[bad_roo]

You ever consider that maybe those bible thumpers are just trying to keep the country from going to hell?

I did and then discounted the possibility.

[DJSapp]

You ever consider that maybe those bible thumpers are just trying to keep the country from going to hell?

CS, I was refering to the hardcore right wingers that are more concerned with keeping every other country from going to hell at the expense of ourselves. It's the 'Adopt our Christian based freedom and Democracy value system or else' foreign policy that I disagree with.

[DaveTV]

Blah Blah Blah

[Telephil]

Can we stop pretending he didn't steal the last election? I know the solid proof is buried deep, but ever wonder why all the "software glitches" tallied every vote for Bush and none "glitched" every vote for Kerry? Ever wonder why 1.5 million more Floridians--10 percent of the entire population (not voting population, ENTIRE population)--turned out for '04 than '00? Ever wonder why the republicans were so in favor of computerized voting machines with no paper trail? This is no longer a democracy. Don't kid yourselves. Our country was stolen from us, and the sally ass democrats let it happen with a shrug. The democrats are irrelevant, the repulicans are evil. It's time for a legitimate, moderate-minded third party.

[Clack]

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[Telenater]

You ever consider that maybe those bible thumpers are just trying to keep the country from going to hell?

You ever consider that the society these bible thumpers want is what most of the rest of us might consider to be hell?

[splat]

Bush is simply the set-up man for the anti-christ.

[Uma]

I say that if you don't like America - get the fuck out! I'm tired of you spoiled son's-o'-bitches complaining about your freedom while you sit behind your desk in safety.

Isn't that what England said to the Founding Fathers?
So what you're saying is - to stand against corruption, abuse, and politcal tyranny to preserve or create freedom is wrong?

Did you vote Putin?

[13]

I'm afraid it wasn't so much brilliant as devious.

Ok, brilliant AND devious. Is that better?

The audience was so hungry for jingoistic bullshit and fast buck voodoo that they just ate it up. Anyone with sense enough to pour piss out of a boot could glean the kernel of truth from the main Bush/Cheney positions.

Horseshit. Even the people that care about cutting through the propaganda machines from the left and the right have to spend their own free time wading through the mountain of shitty information to find the motherfucking truth.

Do you have any idea how many people in this country hate doing their homework?!

And if you think the media presents the full story to us, boy have you got a lot of learning to do.

Phatstix, if you want Kev to leave, make him. That was the lamest argument I've ever heard.

[jayfrizzo]

Ask yourself, what have you ever done to earn one ounce of the freedom that's been given to you?

I was born here.