Ikon Pass

[yeahman]

If pics like even half of this show up online, you don’t think the local government will step in?

Probably. But don't the resorts have a vested interest in making sure those situations don't develop?

[The SnowShow]

Probably. But don't the resorts have a vested interest in making sure those situations don't develop?

Yes. Gotta wonder about Winter Park’s attitude though. Not changing a thing about lift line flow?

[Vitamin I]

...The government is not going to shut them down IMO.

Well, Calif Governor still seems trigger happy. He still shuts down the beaches every time there's a weekend that he believes faraway people will be ESPECIALLY attracted to come (like a heat wave, or a holiday, etc.), because he still seems to want to prevent the mixing of lots of faraway people with the local beach communities. And ski resorts attract non-local people, too.

Yes. Gotta wonder about Winter Park’s attitude though. Not changing a thing about lift line flow?

Looks to me like Winter Park is indeed changing some things about the lift line flow. But yeah...I think they merely "encourage" different parties NOT to mix on the same chair. I doubt Winter Park will stop anyone if some or all skiers tacitly consent to form groups of 4 the "old Pre-Covid way" right before loading the chairs.

"We ask guests to please maintain a minimum of 6 feet of distance between parties while waiting in lift lines. To help maintain distance, we will also be adjusting lift mazes for the upcoming season. Guests will need to wear a face covering while waiting in line, loading, riding, and unloading lifts. We will be modifying lift loading procedures to encourage social distancing while riding the lift and will share further details as soon as they’re available."
- from https://www.winterparkresort.com/the...SAAEgLVh_D_BwE

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[bigdude2468]

The difference between ski resorts and colleges is the college kids stay in the same place for nine months, whereas at the resorts people come, people go, and if they have the covid or not doesn't really matter. All that matters is if there are major outbreaks among employees that limit the workforce so much that they resort can't operate. The government is not going to shut them down IMO.

This. Comparing college students who live in cramped dorms, packed trashed filthy houses, not wearing masks and engaging in inappropriate covid behaviors is not the same as being outside wearing masks. I agree the season is at risk but even patrollers can stay safe by not hanging out in patrol HQ. Employees living in resort housing are at risk. The greatest risk is going to be lodging with employees living in the same building as they work. I cannot see how there will not be significant outbreaks with people coming from all corners of the continent.

[Leshphilling77]

Employees living in resort housing are at risk. The greatest risk is going to be lodging with employees living in the same building as they work. I cannot see how there will not be significant outbreaks with people coming from all corners of the continent.

yup. that is just about all of your lift staff in a lot of ski towns

[Benny Profane]

Dude. That was like 200,000 deaths ago in pandemic time.

Fify


So, like, you're saying we totally have this thing under control now?

[Benny Profane]

If pics like even half of this show up online, you don’t think the local government will step in?
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Funny, though, that isn't half as dangerous as a packed, shoulder to shoulder club in town.

[uglymoney]

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So, like, you're saying we totally have this thing under control now?

Pandemic is running wild. So many variables to consider this year including one's personal health.

I know a couple of families that normally buy Ikon/MC that have not. Maybe the influx of people won't be so bad. Who knows. Things were crazy this summer with campers but how many of those people drove? All of them. Different crowd as well.

Benny can't be the only ice coaster who isn't throwing his hat in the ring.

We feel lucky to be able to drive to the mountains and split the difference between day passes and the Ikon with the MC. As always we have to buy a separate local pass which comes with several days at out of state areas as well. Shit hits the fan on us like it did last year we enjoy a few days of carry out food and do some winter hiking and drive back home. It wasn't terrible.

[hutash]

Funny, though, that isn't half as dangerous as a packed, shoulder to shoulder club in town.

True. Also, besides a bunch of lifties packed into substandard housing, how many of them are not going to be packing the bars at night sniffing at the one woman for every ten dudes? I just don't see how this is not going to be a disastrous season. I am not terribly worried about the actually skiing part. I have no need to be in the lodges or bars, can wear a mask as needed, keep gondi windows open even in a storm, but I just don't see all the other people in ski towns keeping it under control.

I have my Ikon pass, but will likely not ski too early in the season to see how things go. It is not the end of the world though if I ski a few days and get skunked the rest of the season. Sure I'll be pissed and claim about Ikon and Alterra, but it won't ruin me financially.

[Benny Profane]

I think that smaller local areas will be safer because the lifties and support staff will not be living in dorm like homes.

[Toadman]

Just talking to a hotel reservation desk in JH. He thinks it's going to be busy this winter, with people wanting to get away. Interestingly the hotels in JH are getting early access to lift passes before they go on sale on Oct. 5th to the general public. No discounts though. It's walk up window pricing. But the tickets are refundable w/i 7 days of arrival. So, it will be interesting to see how that dynamic plays out with lift ticket availability for any given dates someone wants to ski.

[big kook]

Just talking to a hotel reservation desk in JH. He thinks it's going to be busy this winter, with people wanting to get away.

LOL

[Bobcat Sig]

A friend of mine who is a patroller compared the situation at the Resorts to what we are seeing at the Universities: the resorts are hoping to be able to stay open long enough to hang on to season pass money before getting shut down by the government in the same way many universities (CU for example) with in-person classes are hoping to just hang on just long enough to keep the tuition money before being shut down. Cynical take, but probably some truth to it.

You're probably right. After all, ski resorts are businesses at the end of the day. They exist to make money.

True. Also, besides a bunch of lifties packed into substandard housing, how many of them are not going to be packing the bars at night sniffing at the one woman for every ten dudes? I just don't see how this is not going to be a disastrous season. I am not terribly worried about the actually skiing part. I have no need to be in the lodges or bars, can wear a mask as needed, keep gondi windows open even in a storm, but I just don't see all the other people in ski towns keeping it under control.

I have my Ikon pass, but will likely not ski too early in the season to see how things go. It is not the end of the world though if I ski a few days and get skunked the rest of the season. Sure I'll be pissed and claim about Ikon and Alterra, but it won't ruin me financially.

Too many variables to tell. At the very least, it will be different. My optimistic take is that things will go on, albeit much mellower as many skiers stay closer to home or opt our in entirely from resort skiing.

[Toadman]

LOL

Well, I hope he's wrong. Would be nice if everyone stayed home.

[uglymoney]

Everybody is just thinking out loud. I think everyone here is suggesting what might happen and we are probably echoing the conversations of the execs in charge because they know little more than we do. They have a better grasp of pass sales and season reservation demand but that is about it.

It is like the stock market thread.

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[yeahman]

So, like, you're saying we totally have this thing under control now?

No, not at all. Pretty much the opposite, actually. Seems to me the "strategy" at this point is to muddle through until there's a vaccine or herd immunity, just keep the economy limping along as much as possible because the repercussions of shutting down are also severe. There will probably be temporary shutdowns at ski areas where outbreaks occur among employees, but as for the government permanently shutting them for the season, I don't see that happening as long as a lot of other businesses/schools/sports continue to operate. And the local governments need the tax revenue too. There will be more disease and death, no doubt about it. But along with that, life has to go on. It has through every other pandemic, and it will this time too. And "life" includes recreation because it keeps people from going insane.

Fuck I don't know. Who the fuck knows what will happen. I guess we'll find out.

[Vitamin I]

...I have my Ikon pass, but will likely not ski too early in the season to see how things go...

I plan to go all-in on #WRODlife when A-Basin opens, skiing almost every day, and I will be pretty anal about my own COVID safety. I am willing to post a thread of daily details, photos of lift lines, etc to help maggots "see how things go" in early-season and decide for themselves if/when they want to ski.

Who knows? Maybe my future posts can help someone decide something like "I'm comfy with Vitamin I's description of the crowds on Sundays from noon-4pm, but not comfy with his photos of Sunday morning and all-day Saturday"...or whatever.

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[old goat]

Who the fuck knows what will happen. I guess we'll find out.

Belongs in polyasshat :--)

[PB]

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It is like the stock market thread.

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Wait ..... we're all bottom-dwelling scavengers?!?!?!?

[Toadman]

We're plankton in a very big ocean. Just trying not to get eaten by the big whales.

[Bobcat Sig]

My plan? Plan for the worst and hope for the best.

Last year, when the 'rona nuked the ski season and our spring skiing plans, I hopped on the moto and rode as much as I could. Fortunately here in the PNWet, One can drive east to the mountain and ski or to west and ride the trails. So I did the latter.

I'll do the same if we are all required to take another bike of this shit sandwich.

Until then, think snow!

[melotime]

Well, Calif Governor still seems trigger happy. He still shuts down the beaches every time there's a weekend that he believes faraway people will be ESPECIALLY attracted to come (like a heat wave, or a holiday, etc.), because he still seems to want to prevent the mixing of lots of faraway people with the local beach communities. And ski resorts attract non-local people, too.

Dont forget Newsome owns a hotel and restaurant at Squaw....

[m48e10]

any one have any problems with Mammoth/June rolling over a pass from 19/20 season with zero days used to the 20/21 season? earlier they were saying they would now they are saying not?

[icecoastkilla]

How tough do you guys think it’ll be to make reservations on non holiday weeks/weekends at places like Jackson? Already booked and coming mid January, and I’m really hoping I’ll actually be able to reserve the days i want on November 9th and not have to cancel the trip.

[old goat]

How tough do you guys think it’ll be to make reservations on non holiday weeks/weekends at places like Jackson? Already booked and coming mid January, and I’m really hoping I’ll actually be able to reserve the days i want on November 9th and not have to cancel the trip.

I'm just guessing here but if you reserved your lodging through ski area central reservations I would think they would be able to guarantee lift reservations. If you booked lodging with the individual property, some might be able to guarantee you lift reservations, some not. So it might be worth checking with whoever you made the reservation with.