Please get a flu vaccine

[MagnificentUnicorn]

This whole thing reads like a climate change thread.

Pretty much, you have some people with common sense and the rest react purely with emotion.

[skaredshtles]

I like how he's not against vaccines he just against bad ones.

I guess he'll be called a quack and loonie and so on

Ummmm... well, maybe.

Autism doctor loses license in Illinois, Missouri

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...ier-mark-geier

[Mazderati]

I guess he'll be called a quack and loonie and so on

Too late.

Since 2011, Geier's medical license has been suspended or revoked in every state in which he was licensed over concerns about his autism treatments and his misrepresentation of his credentials to the Maryland Board of Health, where he falsely claimed to be a board-certified geneticist and epidemiologist.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Geier

[old goat]

I like how he's not against vaccines he just against bad ones.

I guess he'll be called a quack and loonie and so on

No, he was called a quack a long time ago. The guy makes his living as a professional witness testifying against vaccine companies. Not exactly unbiased.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Geier

for starters--the link between flu vaccine and guilliain barre is tenuous at best
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vacc...llainbarre.htm

He's right--it would be nice if we could test each year's flu vaccine for safety and efficacy before widespread use. For obvious reasons that isn't possible with the current vaccine. No doubt that kind of testing will be done for the universal vaccine, if one is developed. And no doubt there will be people complaining that the testing is taking too long.

[Meadow Skipper]

Ummmm... well, maybe.

Autism doctor loses license in Illinois, Missouri

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...ier-mark-geier

Oh...yeah...well...there's that I guess.

[skaredshtles]

Oh...yeah...well...there's that I guess.

Well, that's just, like, my opinion, man...

[Kenny Satch]

No, he was called a quack a long time ago. The guy makes his living as a professional witness testifying against vaccine companies. Not exactly unbiased.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Geier

for starters--the link between flu vaccine and guilliain barre is tenuous at best
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vacc...llainbarre.htm

He's right--it would be nice if we could test each year's flu vaccine for safety and efficacy before widespread use. For obvious reasons that isn't possible with the current vaccine. No doubt that kind of testing will be done for the universal vaccine, if one is developed. And no doubt there will be people complaining that the testing is taking too long.

My first post was an opinion but I support vaccination and I make sure my Dad gets the Flu shot regardless of my opinion because I will not takes risks with his health.
My own health is my business unless I'm danger to others.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Well, that's just, like, my opinion, man...

It's hard to believe it's been 20 years since that movie was released.

[summit]

My own health is my business unless I'm danger to others.

Flu is contagious 1 day before onset of symptoms.

Herd Immunity... how does that work?

[TheSilverSurfer]

Pretty much, you have some people with common sense and the rest react purely with emotion.

It really is amazing how the provax people get so emotional about it

[MagnificentUnicorn]

It really is amazing how the provax people get so emotional about it

You've mistaken emotion for incredulity about retards who don't understand the topic.

[old goat]

My own health is my business unless I'm danger to others.

That's what you think. We're coming for you, and people who don't get vaccinated voluntarily get the BIG needle. Right after we take away your guns.

(No one is saying it isn't your business, at least not unless there was a repeat of 1918. Some of us have been putting info out there and trying to correct misconceptions for those who are truly misinformed. Maybe we will convince a couple of people, maybe not. For people who have decided that nothing that anyone can say will make them get a flu shot--not sure why they would bother reading the thread.)

[Skidog]

This stat alone should give anyone pause:

Texas has seen 1,155 combined adult flu and pneumonia deaths and four flu-related pediatric deaths in Texas as of a Jan. 12



So many vaccinations do us good - Polio, MMR, chicken pox, just to name a few why is the flu shot so vilified? Would anyone here refuse a polio vac?

There isn't a new one every year?

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[Kenny Satch]

Flu is contagious 1 day before onset of symptoms.

Herd Immunity... how does that work?

Not sure but if I'm sick I say away from anyone elderly or of diminished health. My comment is more to do with Typhoid Mary scenario and you are so sick and refuse any type of quarantine or agree to be medicated then you are a danger to others. In that scenario I agree with you have no choice,

[TBS]

That's what you think. We're coming for you, and people who don't get vaccinated voluntarily get the BIG needle. Right after we take away your guns.

He’s a Canukistani - prolly has no gunz
His provincial heath care system can always administer vaccination via suppository

And Kenny, you miss the point. You are contagious before you feel sick, so you might be unwittingly exposing people to your disease.

[Kenny Satch]

That's what you think. We're coming for you, and people who don't get vaccinated voluntarily get the BIG needle. Right after we take away your guns.

(No one is saying it isn't your business, at least not unless there was a repeat of 1918. Some of us have been putting info out there and trying to correct misconceptions for those who are truly misinformed. Maybe we will convince a couple of people, maybe not. For people who have decided that nothing that anyone can say will make them get a flu shot--not sure why they would bother reading the thread.)

I'm Canadian. We hide in the bush

[summit]

Not sure but if I'm sick I say away from anyone elderly or of diminished health. My comment is more to do with Typhoid Mary that if you are so sick and refuse any type of quarantine or agree to be medicated then you are a danger to others. In that scenario I agree with you have no choice,

I appreciate that. Plenty of Americans will go to work sick because it is that or not getting paid or not getting to go on vacation later. That is a societal/systems problem.

But my bigger point was that you can NOT feel sick but still be contagious. This may be responsible for a significant proportion of flu transmissions.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2646474/

[Meadow Skipper]

It really is amazing how the provax people get so emotional about it

Ah, the IKYABWAI* retort - known across all the playgrounds of the world for its argument-destroying effectiveness.

*I know you are but what am I?

Flu is contagious 1 day before onset of symptoms.

Herd Immunity... how does that work?

Not sure but if I'm sick I say away from anyone elderly or of diminished health.

Whoosh! lol.

[Rideski]

That's what you think. We're coming for you, and people who don't get vaccinated voluntarily get the BIG needle. Right after we take away your guns.

Hey Doc, I went and got the shot so if you're aiming for the cliche one person saved mantra there you go.

But typical tgr fashion people just have a hard time communicating around here. A few people saying "but nobody will answer the question" when several people stuck there necks out to be honest only to get called retards.
Ask for opinions, call them retards, great SOP.
I would venture a lot of people were in my situation of
Don't get sick a lot
Had some side effects to shot
Just not that concerned.

You'd do better to say perhaps the shot is better and there aren't as many side effects anymore. For people concerned about needles (not me) it goes in the muscle not the vein, lots easier. Etc.

[The AD]

I would venture a lot of people were in my situation of
Don't get sick a lot
Had some side effects to shot
Just not that concerned.

And it seems to me there have been plenty of perfectly non-judgmental posts explaining why you should be concerned.

[Rideski]

Point

[old goat]

Hey Doc, I went and got the shot so if you're aiming for the cliche one person saved mantra there you go.

But typical tgr fashion people just have a hard time communicating around here. A few people saying "but nobody will answer the question" when several people stuck there necks out to be honest only to get called retards.
Ask for opinions, call them retards, great SOP.
I would venture a lot of people were in my situation of
Don't get sick a lot
Had some side effects to shot
Just not that concerned.

You'd do better to say perhaps the shot is better and there aren't as many side effects anymore. For people concerned about needles (not me) it goes in the muscle not the vein, lots easier. Etc.

Unfortunately the shot is the same as it's been for a long time with the same side effects. For people who have a strong reaction to the shot--I have none, even to the turbo-charged version they give the elderly--I can understand the reluctance.

I also understand the decision making. Human beings--whether they are retards or normal intelligent people or stable geniuses--make decisions based on emotion and personal experience. All of us. We look for facts to support our decisions, not to help us make them. I push flu shots because I've had a couple of bad cases over the years and no reaction to the shot. Take two equally intelligent, normal people--one knows someone who didn't get the shot, got flu and died; the other has never had the flu or known anyone to die of it. Present the same facts to both and they will make different decisions. But one can try. There are occasional rational outliers.

[summit]

Had some side effects to shot

DISCLAIMER Now this is anecdotal, not evidenced based, but Occ Health and I have been telling those with side effects to ask for Flublok version. I had zero side effects this year when I normally feel a little off for a day or two with a really sore arm. Others seem to have less s/e too. Again, these are anecdotes, not data.

[Rideski]

My tongue is numb. But as long as I don't miss a powder day I'll deal with feeling down for a day. Flu did suck that one time I had it a few years ago.
And skiers are a nasty lot to hang out with.

[bodywhomper]

I don't know the version that i received, it was at rite aid. This year, i didn't feel anything, and i felt absolutely fine afterward at the injection site and symptom-wise. This is not typical for me.

Because i am surrounded by conspiracy theories (living in western NV county and all), i jokingly think that i received a saline injection because of my lack of physical response. I'm ok with that, as being a firm believer in the placebo effect.

For me, i do not like getting the flu because it kicks my ass. In doing so, i end up taking a lot of PTO from work that i otherwise would spend doing fun things, my work projects go into a tail spin, and my wife has to work super hard given that she has a paying job, we have three kids, cats, dog, heat with wood, live in the sticks, etc.; and then flu always corresponds with a major winter storm cycle. And then if my wife comes down with it at the same time I'm still bed-ridden, shit gets pretty tough.

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