Please get a flu vaccine

[bodywhomper]

But that's not what summit was talking about

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I'll pass. Last time I got the the flu shot was about 25 years ago. Just happened to be the year I got the worst flu I've had.

If you want to inject garbage into yourself for something that rarely works and often causes sickness its self help yourself.

http://thinkingmomsrevolution.com/sm...get-flu-shots/

http://www.familyhealthchiropractic....-get-flu-shot/

You're fucking stupid. It amazes me the lengths that people will go to to find a doctor that will justify their decisions based on emotions and pseudoscience. You do realize that the claims made on those two 'scientific' sites are false and gross misinterpretations of the actual science don't you?

[TheSilverSurfer]

You do realize that the CDC said that the spray vaccine didn't work at all and shouldn't be administered yet millions of people were sold it anyway, right?

I don't trust any of those greedy assholes

[Viva]

"I don't get the flu vaccine and I'm proud of it!"
"Why don't you get the vaccine, and why are you proud of it?"
"Just because."

I guess what I'm getting at is that the flu never created any real impact on my life, as far as I'm aware. I'm against medical intervention that targets something that I regard as a rare nuisance, as well as something I've (so far) proven capable of handling physiologically, immunolgically, and psychologically. Granted, were I infected annually, I might very well reconsider this stance. Anywho, life's a bitch, then you die.

[KQ]

You do realize that the CDC said that the spray vaccine didn't work at all and shouldn't be administered yet millions of people were sold it anyway, right?

I don't trust any of those greedy assholes

Q: Do you see the earth as a sphere or a disk?

[4matic]

I guess what I'm getting at is that the flu never created any real impact on my life, as far as I'm aware. I'm against medical intervention that targets something that I regard as a rare nuisance, as well as something I've (so far) proven capable of handling physiologically, immunolgically, and psychologically. Granted, were I infected annually, I might very well reconsider this stance. Anywho, life's a bitch, then you die.

It’s good to be responsible for oneself. If we all got vaccinations there might be no flu season and the 40 y/o marathoner might be alive.

I get a shot for myself and also to try and protect others. It’s frustrating being around folks like surfer and some religious types that don’t believe in science.

[Ottime]

I got the shot in September. They were giving them out as I found out I needed ankle surgery.

Have not got the flu yet. And it is all around me. The vaccine is like kung fu mixed with my blood.

[TheSilverSurfer]

Q: Do you see the earth as a sphere or a disk?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/21/health...ons/index.html

Do you ignore facts?

CDC recommends against yet big pharma is still pushing it. (Note, efficacy for 2017/18 is much higher than it was for 2015/16).

[old goat]

But that's not what summit was talking about

Of course it wasn't. Sorry.
Here's a reference to the study that the CDC cites.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28525597
Unfortunately there is not a free full text available so I don't know if the authors speculated on the mechanism. I would assume that the vaccine induces antibodies that are not specific enough to wipe out the virus but are specific enough to impair it's ability to reproduce itself, so the body is attacked by a smaller viral load making it easier for the immune system to successfully fight the virus.

[bodywhomper]

Of course it wasn't. Sorry.
Here's a reference to the study that the CDC cites.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28525597
Unfortunately there is not a free full text available so I don't know if the authors speculated on the mechanism. I would assume that the vaccine induces antibodies that are not specific enough to wipe out the virus but are specific enough to impair it's ability to reproduce itself, so the body is attacked by a smaller viral load making it easier for the immune system to successfully fight the virus.

Thanks. That's the type of thing that I was looking for.

[KQ]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/21/health...ons/index.html

Do you ignore facts?

CDC recommends against yet big pharma is still pushing it. (Note, efficacy for 2017/18 is much higher than it was for 2015/16).

If you read up thread (pg 3) you would see that I posted about the nasal spray not being recommended for use this year (and I believe it was pulled last year too). I have not seen it offered in my neck of the woods and the local news has run reports on the same.

[twodogs]

I got the flu about seven weeks ago. Gf says it was just a cold(she had a cold, I got the flu) but that fucker almost killed me. Worst I've felt since severe food poisoning a few years ago from eating days old lasagna in a power outage(it was kept cool, but not cool enough apparently).

I could ramble on, but I won't.

[TheSilverSurfer]

If you read up thread (pg 3) you would see that I posted about the nasal spray not being recommended for use this year (and I believe it was pulled last year too). I have not seen it offered in my neck of the woods and the local news has run reports on the same.

Even though CDC had recommended against flumist (for the last three years?), The manufacturer still sold 15 million doses in the US last year.

Big Pharma doesn't give a fuck about you.

1.6 billion dollars. That's the value of the flu vaccine industry each year. No matter how you try to spin it nothing that big pharma does is altruistic.

[summit]

1.6 billion dollars. That's the value of the flu vaccine industry each year. No matter how you try to spin it nothing that big pharma does is altruistic.

Mouthbreathers like you like to point at revenue and scream evil nefarious big pharma/food/medicine that must surely be motivated only by greed and therefor 'lil ole' alternative organic chiro whatever is the right choice because they are small industries with no profit motive... right?

40 billion dollars... that is the world chiropractic industry each year
175 billion dollars... that is the organic food and beverage industry (experiencing double digit growth)
200 billion dollars... that is the alternative and complimentary healthcare industry

[bodywhomper]

Even though CDC had recommended against flumist (for the last three years?), The manufacturer still sold 15 million doses in the US last year.

Big Pharma doesn't give a fuck about you.

1.6 billion dollars. That's the value of the flu vaccine industry each year. No matter how you try to spin it nothing that big pharma does is altruistic.

If this is your source: https://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/19/the-...ss-of-flu.html

that's $1.61B revenue, according to the article, for between 171 to 179 million doses, which is $9.42 to $8.99/dose revenue (not profit) to the manufacturers.

[TheSilverSurfer]

If this is your source: https://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/19/the-...ss-of-flu.html

that's $1.61B revenue, according to the article, for between 171 to 179 million doses, which is $9.42 to $8.99/dose revenue (not profit) to the manufacturers.

And every bit of their business contributes to their bottom line.

How do you explain the manufacturer of flumist continuing to sell and market a vaccine that works so poorly that the CDC recommends against it?

[TheSilverSurfer]

Also, in the words of the CDC the only reason they recommend everyone to get the vaccine is because "'Let's simplify this and recommended this vaccine for anyone over 6 months old.'".
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/17/health...icy/index.html

You're all a bunch of sheep.

[summit]

Also, in the words of the CDC the only reason they recommend everyone to get the vaccine is because "'Let's simplify this and recommended this vaccine for anyone over 6 months old.'".
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/17/health...icy/index.html

You're all a bunch of sheep.

You think their reason is just because?

Please explain the concept of Herd Immunity?

It might require you to put down the bong and loosen your tinfoil...

[bodywhomper]

i thought this was an interesting article about flu-mist. https://www.statnews.com/2017/02/23/...nasal-vaccine/

[Benny Profane]

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v40/n02/gavin-...he-untreatable

[MagnificentUnicorn]

You do realize that the CDC said that the spray vaccine didn't work at all and shouldn't be administered yet millions of people were sold it anyway, right?

I don't trust any of those greedy assholes

Yet you put your faith in chiropractors and 'celebrity' physicians. Ironic.

[Danno]

You do realize that the CDC said that the spray vaccine didn't work at all and shouldn't be administered yet millions of people were sold it anyway, right?

I don't trust any of those greedy assholes

So, you trust the CDC when it says not to take a certain vaccine but don't trust the CDC when it recommends that you take a certain vaccine?

[MagnificentUnicorn]

So, you trust the CDC when it says not to take a certain vaccine but don't trust the CDC when it recommends that you take a certain vaccine?

Morons use data selectively to support their stance.

[summit]

Yet you put your faith in chiropractors and 'celebrity' physicians. Ironic.

Faith is the right word... in another era he would have been a religious zealot

[Wymontchoppers]

This thread brings the lulz from all angles. I've watched people die from complications related to influenza, some younger than 60 and otherwise healthy with unremarkable medical histories. Even if it is only 10% effective, why would you not want to reduce your chances of getting the flu by 10%? I hope for the sake of your loved ones as well as the taxpayers you dummies don't end up in the MICU on ECMO. It doesn't look pleasant and costs a little more than the influenza vaccine.

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Excellent response. Makes me laugh, from my perspective as an ICU RN.