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Thread: Where Do You Draw The Line On Drug Legality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickwm21 View Post
    We need a test to know if you are stoned now, not if you were stoned sometime last week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    The roofers who shingled our house in Sacramento years ago (14 in 12 pitch) had fists fights up there. There was a short crew on Monday when one of them was in jail. I don't know if they were smoking pot.
    Probably fighting about the joint bogarting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    IIRC, he had reported use rates of 1 oz/week which is nuts. Not exactly a lightweight. No wonder he has a warped perspective.



    This is the norm, not the exception. A majority of people don't even enjoy the opioid high, and among those who do most have no interest in chronic use (this holds true across all classes of drugs, too). Personally, I enjoy the opioid high, but only occasionally and in small doses. 5 mg of hydro/oxycodone makes for a very enjoyable Friday night, and then I won't even think about it for 2-4 weeks. 10 mg just means a night of sleepless tweaker itching and a constipation the next day. Grosses me out just thinking about it.

    Bottom line is that actual addiction rates for opioids really are quite low. The vast majority of opioid addicts already had a history of alcohol and illicit drug use before they started opioids, and most received them from friends, family or dealers, not doctors. For those who do become addicted, it is generally not because of the inherent addictive power of the drug:

    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...not-the-cause/


    The opioid epidemic says a lot more about the failure of American society to prevent child abuse and domestic violence, treat mental illness, and ensure a basic level of financial security than it says about opioids themselves.

    As for other drugs, a sober review of the evidence shows that the dangers of methamphetamine are overhyped: https://www.opensocietyfoundations.o...d-20140218.pdf

    While I can't provide data to support the idea, I find it unlikely that if all drugs were suddenly legalized people would start snorting cocaine, smoking PCP, etc. en masse. Most wouldn't even enjoy it, and generations of stigma don't disappear overnight. Measured use of psilocybin and MDMA could probably improve most people's lives. Bottom line, all drugs carry risks, but that is just as true of OTC drugs and numerous supplements (a virtually unregulated industry). The question is not whether any particular drug carries risks, the question is whether those risks outweigh the fiscal and social costs of prohibition. In nearly all cases, "hard" drugs included, prohibition is worse than the drugs. Also, this:



    From here, a good read: https://harpers.org/archive/2016/04/legalize-it-all/
    Great post. Back before the current era of concern about opioid addiction it was estimated that the risk of opioid abuse in people receiving appropriate therapeutic opioids was about the same as the risk of substance abuse in the general population. (About 6% of adults abuse alcohol.)

    I do think there are other factors besides trauma and life history that make people prone to addiction although those are very important. One is current life circumstances--if one is jobless, living in a bad neighborhood, in jail, etc substance abuse offers a temporary way out. One is probably biological--for some people the pleasure caused by mind-affecting drugs is particularly intense. Another is availability. Alcohol is the preferred drug of abuse because it's easily available. (Twice the deaths annually compared to opiates.) Most middle and upper class adults would have a hard time getting their hands on illicit opiates, but as the epidemic spreads more and more people know someone who knows someone who can direct them to a pill mill or heroin dealer.

    Quote Originally Posted by nickwm21 View Post
    I manage the day to day operations of a comerical construction site with over 400 tradesmen/women. We drug test during hire, random, and at cause/accident. I have seen a few accidents where someone was drunk or using. No one should do any dangerous work or operate any vehicle or piece of equipment under any mind altering substance, weed included. But whether or not someone smokes or drinks after work is the least of my worries...

    The catalyst to making weed legal is the testing. The current testing process shows positive if you used marijuana in the last 5-30 days. We need a test to know if you are stoned now, not if you were stoned sometime last week. Without that there is no way to enforce rules against driving/operating stoned.

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    I suspect that a bigger factor in on the job accidents is fatigue and lack of sleep. Not to mention the damage done by sleep-deprived doctors (only doctors in training have their hours restricted) and nurses working doubles and rotating shifts--probably a bigger danger than substance abuse by providers.

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    I dunno about the original topic, but sure would like to see ANY southeastern state legalize weed. That would be about the most I'd hope for in my lifetime. Somwhere east of the miss. and south of say west va.
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    Well it's legal in Maryland although they are dragging their damn heels about it. Medical just got on line like 2 weeks ago in a limited rollout and there's no dates set for Rec yet but the voters approved it so it should be coming. That's probably as close as you'll get for a while. Maybe Georgia will come through for you? Or North Carolina? Those would seem to be the only 2 shots if you're not counting Florida.

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    ^I thought it was only medical in MD. I should maybe pay attention, and shit.
    I see you damaged yourself, hope you're getting better.

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    No it's legalized and rec sales should be coming but the politicians are doing everything they can to thwart the will of the people as expressed through the vote. Mass has been doing the same exact thing for about 2 years longer and rec stores are finally supposed to open there this July so maybe Maryland will follow a similar timetable.

    And thanks yeah I'm kinda damaged goods but I am feeling better.

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    Back in HS I had a few beers at lunch and wrote the big power mechnics test, afterwards some one asked Teach what the marks were like ?
    Teach said they were pretty bad but there was one perfect score and it was XXX-er, my good buddies pointed out I'd had been drinking, teach said " So ... maybe thats the way to write a test ? "

    there were a lot of stoners in that ^^ class including a number of very good drug dealers
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    Still waiting for Truckee to come up with a plan. The current "emergency" ordinance bans all marijuana sales--medical and rec--including delivery which has been the only way to get it in the past. Don't know if my dispensary is still delivering (a vape cartridge lasts me forever). The jackasses on town council think they're keeping weed out of Truckee--per capita use is probably as high here as anywhere in the country. Meanwhile Sacramento was open for business for rec on day 1. Might have to drive down there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Still waiting for Truckee to come up with a plan. The current "emergency" ordinance bans all marijuana sales--medical and rec--including delivery which has been the only way to get it in the past. Don't know if my dispensary is still delivering (a vape cartridge lasts me forever). The jackasses on town council think they're keeping weed out of Truckee--per capita use is probably as high here as anywhere in the country. Meanwhile Sacramento was open for business for rec on day 1. Might have to drive down there.
    Ugh. I hate that shit. Sounds like the council all needs to hit that cart too and rethink things.
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    Why would you drive from Truckee to Sac just for a vape cart?
    Less distance/money to hit Reno where all weed products are much better tested for clean.

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    I believe the distinction needs to lie in what drugs are more likely to make a person react violently toward others. I don't mean by way of simply driving while intoxicated, since that is already quite illegal in every capacity. Whereas alcohol, weed, and even some of the hard stuff can alter ones behavior to a certain extent, there is quite a difference in how one reacts to say, Bath Salts. That stuff's screwed up and can too often cause a person to react with violence.

    Personally, I'm for federal decriminalization of ALL substances (not necessarily "legalization"), and then leave it up to the states what they want to bother dealing with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    For me getting booze in HS was always easy cuz I worked with/was buds with that guy who came out of the womb with the 5 o'clock shadow, buddy would just wear his service station uniform and he never got carded
    That was you in dazed and confused?

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    Quote Originally Posted by splat View Post
    Why would you drive from Truckee to Sac just for a vape cart?
    Less distance/money to hit Reno where all weed products are much better tested for clean.
    Or Incline. But Sac is a chance to see my kid and he isn't coming up here until it snows.

    Talk about kids buying alcohol--when my kid was 17 he goes into a liquor store/convenience store and asks for Red Vines. Clerk comes back with a bottle of red wine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Still waiting for Truckee to come up with a plan. The current "emergency" ordinance bans all marijuana sales--medical and rec--including delivery which has been the only way to get it in the past. Don't know if my dispensary is still delivering (a vape cartridge lasts me forever). The jackasses on town council think they're keeping weed out of Truckee--per capita use is probably as high here as anywhere in the country. Meanwhile Sacramento was open for business for rec on day 1. Might have to drive down there.
    Isn't there a place in Incline Village?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless View Post

    Sessions has to pander to the assisted living crowd. It's all he has left.
    sessions has had a bug up his ass about weed his entire career

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    Why can't these things be decided based on facts?

    It's cheaper to put chronic homeless people up in cheap apartments than it is to care for them on the streets.

    They go to the ER less. They commit less petty crimes. They aren't pissing in the street, scaring the citizens, pooping in the parks or angering business owners.

    They have better access to mental health treatment, medical care. Stability allows some to even improve their lives, hold down jobs, etc etc..

    And it costs less money!

    Why are we so stuck on punishment... or worried about someone getting something for free?

    It fucking sucks to be homeless. It fucking sucks to be an addict. Those people have terrible lives. Nobody just chooses to be that.

    So why can't we make policy.. drug policy, social service policy based on what has been proven.. evidence based, like look at the success the heroin clinics have had in Europe for example...

    Why are we so stuck in this pseudo-Christian punishment mode?

    What is best for society is for the majority to be productive members of society. Let's work on that instead of focusing on the failures of people born with the deck stacked against them...

    Ohh and fuck you skicougar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtngirl79 View Post
    Why can't these things be decided based on facts?

    It's cheaper to put chronic homeless people up in cheap apartments than it is to care fir them on the streets.

    They go to the ER less. They commit less pety crimes. They aren't pissing in the street, scaring the citizens, pooping in the parks or angering business owners.

    They have better access to mental health treatment, medical care. Stability allows some to even improve their lives, hold down jobs, etc etc..

    And it costs less money!

    Why are we so stuck on punishment... or worried about someone getting something for free?

    It fucking sucks to be homeless. It fucking sucks to be an addict. Those people have terrible lives. Nobody just chooses to be that.

    So why can't we make policy.. drug policy, social service policy based on what has been proven.. evidence based, like look at the success the heroin clinics have had in Europe for example...

    Why are we so stuck in this pseudo-punushment mode?

    What is best for society is for the majority to be productive members of society. Let's work on that instead of focusing on the failures of people born with the deck stacked against them...

    Ohh and fuck you skicougar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by splat View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by mtngirl79 View Post
    Why can't these things be decided based on facts?

    It's cheaper to put chronic homeless people up in cheap apartments than it is to care for them on the streets.

    They go to the ER less. They commit less petty crimes. They aren't pissing in the street, scaring the citizens, pooping in the parks or angering business owners.

    They have better access to mental health treatment, medical care. Stability allows some to even improve their lives, hold down jobs, etc etc..

    And it costs less money!

    Why are we so stuck on punishment... or worried about someone getting something for free?

    It fucking sucks to be homeless. It fucking sucks to be an addict. Those people have terrible lives. Nobody just chooses to be that.

    So why can't we make policy.. drug policy, social service policy based on what has been proven.. evidence based, like look at the success the heroin clinics have had in Europe for example...

    Why are we so stuck in this pseudo-Christian punishment mode?

    What is best for society is for the majority to be productive members of society. Let's work on that instead of focusing on the failures of people born with the deck stacked against them...

    Ohh and fuck you skicougar.

    Both of these are fkna spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtngirl79 View Post
    Ohh and fuck you skicougar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by splat View Post
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    Haha. Yup! Too true. It is baffling what is legal versus illegal based on it coming in pill form from a pharmaceutical company. If this entire issue hasn't exposed lobby power for what it is, then I don't know what will.

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    oxycotin?

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    Stoners with good intentionations but litttle capacibility to speil rite;

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    I keep looking at the "Where Do You Draw The Line On Drug Legality?" thread title and seeing " Where Do You Draw The Line On Drug Quality ? "
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