The Official Salomon S/Lab SHIFT MNC Thread -AMA

[Banh Mi]

This is where I'm at. Even if I did buy in fall, it's first gen and I'm not that dumb. I'll wait a few years. Looks like a nice idea though if they hold up to testing on the public.

Are you just going to get Tectons?


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[margotron]

Are you just going to get Tectons?


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[margotron]

Heh. "Immersing" from Austin, no less. I remember when I was a know-it-all grad student. I've never had pole plants that look that bad though.

The worst person in the world is a worldless grad student.

Source: JD & MSc


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[jacob_dbu]

Exhibit A: https://www.proguiding.com/triprepor...i-tecton-test/

Wait didn't BD say F1s can't be used with Tectons??

Anyways maybe we can fill a few more pages of this thread with BS speculation about how a first year binding will perform. Then I can boost my post count and street cred here on TGR. At some point I won't be thejongiest anymore.

[LightRanger]

Homie, none of us are claiming it will not perform flawlessly. It very well might. We're merely stating that your faith in manufacturers based on the metric of how many professional skiers they sponsor is misplaced. Particularly given the product development histories of various manufacturers--and that manufacturer specifically.

But, yes, post count = instacred.

[TahoeJ]

^^ Not to mention being wary of first year products extends well beyond skiing. It’s just true in general.

To be fair technically the Tecton 12 is a first year product right now, but it’s basically using the same toe as the Vipec with a slight modification and a kingpin like heel. Whereas the Shift is a revolutionary type of binding with more moving parts. We are just being cautiously optimistic.

And beaters like all of us can do things to a binding that no pro skier ever would...

[LeeLau]

Wait didn't BD say F1s can't be used with Tectons??

Anyways maybe we can fill a few more pages of this thread with BS speculation about how a first year binding will perform. Then I can boost my post count and street cred here on TGR. At some point I won't be thejongiest anymore.

FFS. I said F1s or any boot with a substantial toe or heel ledge can be used with Tectons. Is there any chance you'll read and not just spew whatever crap you thought you read?

[Name Redacted]

Are you just going to get Tectons?


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I guess, or Kingpins.

[jacob_dbu]

FFS. I said F1s or any boot with a substantial toe or heel ledge can be used with Tectons. Is there any chance you'll read and not just spew whatever crap you thought you read?

But that's not how TGR works!

Jesus though I'm just ducking around after this got all flamey.

[TahoeJ]

INT - SALOMON HEADQUARTERS - DAY

Looking a bit nervous, skier CODY TOWSEND enters a slick European-styled conference room with a long polished table surrounded by engineers and marketing types. He sits down.

ENGINEER 1
So Cody, did you introduce the Shift on that ski forum you were talking about?

CODY
I did.

ENGINEER 1
And how did they react?

CODY
Overall I’d say it went pretty well. A few concerns but I was able to answer most of their questions.

MARKETING GUY
Do you think you can send us a link so we can get an idea of their initial reactions?

CODY
Well, I can just kind of sum it up for—

MARKETING GUY 2
If you don’t mind, we’d like to see for ourselves just to get the full scope...

Cody cringes and scans the room, looking for some kind of escape.

CODY
Well...

ENGINEER 1
That’s probably a good idea. Why don’t you just send us a link?

CODY
(Looking defeated)
Uhh... okay...

He removes his phone from his pants pocket and begins pulling up what he needs to find. After a few minutes he finishes his task with a shrug and decisive final tap.

CODY
All right, there you go. I emailed it to you all.

Cody begins to rise from his chair when Marketing Guy 1 motions for him to stay.

MARKETING GUY 1
If you don’t mind, can you stick around for a moment in case we have any follow-up questions?

CODY
(Sinking back into his chair)
Sure.

The collection of Salomon engineers and Marketing staff concentrate on their individual laptops in front of them.

At first there’s pure silence as everyone around the table reads intensely. Cody shifts in his chair, nervously. More silence. A beat. Then a chuckle or two.

A few minutes more pass and there are several audible growns and under the breath mumbling.

Finally, Marketing Guy 2 slaps the table, visibly upset.

MARKETING GUY 2
What a bunch of assholes! Who the fuck are these people??!

CODY
Well, skiers?

MARKETING GUY 1
But they barely even pay attention to what’s being said!

CODY
Well... yeah, but—

ENGINEER 1
Fuck these assholes! Who gives a shit what they think??

MARKETING GUY 1
Look Cody, these twats are useless... I don’t think you should waste your time here anymore.

[westoxified]

ENGINEER 1
Fuck these assholes! Who gives a shit what they think??

engineer 1:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BcbE_TqBsoG/

mine are still going strong. 35 days of smashing. only 2 touring though.

[Name Redacted]

engineer 1:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BcbE_TqBsoG/

mine are still going strong. 35 days of smashing. only 2 touring though.

Meh, no way that guy's a pro.

[TahoeJ]

engineer 1:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BcbE_TqBsoG/

mine are still going strong. 35 days of smashing. only 2 touring though.

So what you're saying is, my made up line of dialogue was spot on! :-)

This is what happens when you have a few beers and NBC drags out the coverage of the second half of the Super Combined...

[margotron]

So what you're saying is, my made up line of dialogue was spot on! :-)

This is what happens when you have a few beers and NBC drags out the coverage of the second half of the Super Combined...

I appreciated it lol.


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[Judo Chop!]

I got to fiddle with my buddy's Shift bindings today, as I was covered in snow from pre-releasing (fucking again!!) from my Kingpins.
they seemed solid enough that I'll be getting them. no question. Can't wait to get off markers.

[LeeLau]

https://www.newschoolers.com/news/re...ouring-Binding

Summarizing what has already been said. Added a bit more data. Will complete after more ski days

[kid-kapow]

solid intro there Lee.

Personally i think the shift will be kingpin-killer, with the majority of the market becoming a tecton vs shift battle in the time to come. It should be anyway. Then it is all down to where you want to compromise which one you get:

tecton:
main pro: lighter -> you can get a beefier ski (prob makes for a larger difference than 30mm of front elasticity will) and still retain the same weight as a shift, or just go for a lighter set up
main con: no alpine boot compatibility and less elasticity than an alpine binding up front

shift:
main pro: alpine binding performance and full alpine boot compatibility
main con: weight, fiddly mode switch, less adjustable/safe walking mode, unproven at retail end user level

pick you poison. Both a great bindings imo, or have the potential to be anyway. Adding to this freetouring boots are more capable than ever, so getting a good set up that performs spectacularly across lots of conditions and that is as safe as anthing else on the market is a real possibility now. Happy times

[TahoeJ]

Those options are pretty amazing compared to what we had just 5 years ago. I suspect frame bindings will be out of production by 2020 if not sooner.

I like this bit from Lee's review...

"For this comparison between bindings which try to emulate alpine performance, I don't mention platform bindings. Why? Because they suck. They have platforms so they alter ski flex. They're heavy. Touring with them means you are walking up with the equivalent of a gigantic dildo attached to your feet galumphing up the slopes."

[sf]

https://www.newschoolers.com/news/re...ouring-Binding

Summarizing what has already been said. Added a bit more data. Will complete after more ski days

Am I missing something here? 12mm ramp delta?

[LeeLau]

Am I missing something here? 12mm ramp delta?

I was surprised too.

But note how I measured. Alpine bindings usually measure bootsole bottom to ski topsheet.

I measured for AT boots using Lou's methods. I'll stick an alpine boot in the SHIFT and get a number. FYI STH16 and 12 binding delta is 6.5mm

[goldenboy]

Good to see another nice shout-out for the Hoji boot!

[Spyderjon]

I was surprised too.

But note how I measured. Alpine bindings usually measure bootsole bottom to ski topsheet.

I measured for AT boots using Lou's methods. I'll stick an alpine boot in the SHIFT and get a number. FYI STH16 and 12 binding delta is 6.5mm

Any chance of sticking your Vulcan in and measuring to the top sheet?

[XXX-er]

Those options are pretty amazing compared to what we had just 5 years ago. I suspect frame bindings will be out of production by 2020 if not sooner.

I like this bit from Lee's review...

"For this comparison between bindings which try to emulate alpine performance, I don't mention platform bindings. Why? Because they suck. They have platforms so they alter ski flex. They're heavy. Touring with them means you are walking up with the equivalent of a gigantic dildo attached to your feet galumphing up the slopes."

2020 is 2 years away, there are still a lot of boots out there that don't have tech fittings

while its upgraded from unicorn status the shift is not really out there yet

Shift does look like it will work but so did every other tech binding in the last 10 yrs

Frame bindings do still work and are still a staple of the new BC skiing heavy ski/ boot/ clothing crowd

I have hopes for the Shift but I think the frame will be around for sale long apres 2020

[LeeLau]

Any chance of sticking your Vulcan in and measuring to the top sheet?

I'll do that and measure an alpine boot and my Vulcan to the top sheet. Seems like boot sole bottom to topsheet is "convention". Can't hurt to have data point

[gramboh]

https://www.newschoolers.com/news/re...ouring-Binding

Summarizing what has already been said. Added a bit more data. Will complete after more ski days

Good first look Lee. I'm pretty stoked on these for a Whistler do-it-all binding. Looking forward to your long term review re: reliability and whether a higher climbing aid would help. I rarely use the highest riser on my Rad 1.0's but it does come in handy from time to time breaking trail or when you find yourself on stupid steep tracks.

Edit: one thing Lee, is it really $650CAD MSRP? One place in your article is says $549USD and another $649USD. Thx.