The Official Salomon S/Lab SHIFT MNC Thread -AMA

[Angle Parking]

Are your brakes catching on each other? Pushing down on the brakes (in tour mode) will pop them out. Pretty easy for brakes to catch on each other in the skin track especially on steeper side hills with how wide the brakes are.

Don't think so but I can't rule that out definitively. I'll pay attention to that next time out.

[retirwntm]

The reviewer on post 856 link for blister had the same issue with having the brakes release while touring.


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[burrito]

As another data point, I ordered 100mm Shifts for my girlfriend's Cham 107s. I don't think the shop bent them to install (they didn't say anything when she picked them up), and they clear... just barely. Pretty sure 110s would've been rather large.

That would line up with my measurement of the 120s and with what others are finding. +5-7mm no bending. +7-10mm minimal bending, if any. +10-20mm probably doable with a normal amount of bending.

[LeeLau]

I only went back a few pages on this thread so apologies if this was discussed previously. 40ish days in on my Shifts and on my last few tours I am flipping out of walk mode (ie. breaks are flipping down) when the riser is up on the climb. Mostly happening on one binding but has happened on both. Visual inspection reveals nothing out if the ordinary. Anyone else getting this?


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Both my review and the Blister review noted the brakes deploy too often. Like others said its when the brakes catch on each other

[Alkasquawlik]

I only went back a few pages on this thread so apologies if this was discussed previously. 40ish days in on my Shifts and on my last few tours I am flipping out of walk mode (ie. breaks are flipping down) when the riser is up on the climb. Mostly happening on one binding but has happened on both. Visual inspection reveals nothing out if the ordinary. Anyone else getting this?


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I forget if I mentioned this but it has been discussed and already fixed. You obviously got one of the first production run samples that were sent out last year for mass testing, beta feedback and marketing. Since it was the first run of SHIFTS to go through the full production processes, there can often be teeny tiny issues that pop up between LAB engineered and built products and production run products. This was simply a mold issue where the brake keeper was slightly smaller than it should have been. This was addressed by many of the team members and testers as early as December '17. The mold was adjusted and fixed. I got a second run sample and had no issues with brake release while touring after that.

[burrito]

For anyone that has done a test mount before their final one, is there anything particular to know or watch out for when sliding the toe forward to reveal the back two screws? The piece of plastic those screws mount through is pretty thin, and I don't want to break it in the process of removing the toe from the test mount.

[Angle Parking]

I forget if I mentioned this but it has been discussed and already fixed. You obviously got one of the first production run samples that were sent out last year for mass testing, beta feedback and marketing. Since it was the first run of SHIFTS to go through the full production processes, there can often be teeny tiny issues that pop up between LAB engineered and built products and production run products. This was simply a mold issue where the brake keeper was slightly smaller than it should have been. This was addressed by many of the team members and testers as early as December '17. The mold was adjusted and fixed. I got a second run sample and had no issues with brake release while touring after that.

Yep, I got mine last year so you are correct on that front. Is there any sort of fix for it or is it just something i have to live with?

[Alkasquawlik]

For anyone that has done a test mount before their final one, is there anything particular to know or watch out for when sliding the toe forward to reveal the back two screws? The piece of plastic those screws mount through is pretty thin, and I don't want to break it in the process of removing the toe from the test mount.

I don't think it could break because if you hit hard enough forward, the little piece will just unclip from the toe piece. You can then reinsert the clip back into the grooves if need be.

[Alkasquawlik]

Yep, I got mine last year so you are correct on that front. Is there any sort of fix for it or is it just something i have to live with?

Yeah, I don't know about that. I'm sure there is a way I just didn't fiddle with it enough to see if there was a solution.

[burrito]

Yep, I got mine last year so you are correct on that front. Is there any sort of fix for it or is it just something i have to live with?

I think a couple of online shops are selling just the brakes for around $100. Bummer to spend that much, but if the current brakes are that annoying it could be worth it.

[LeeLau]

Yep, I got mine last year so you are correct on that front. Is there any sort of fix for it or is it just something i have to live with?

Once I figured out that I was hitting my brakes together and that was making them deploy I just started being a bit more conscious of it; had feet wider apart and it was all good. I bet now you know that's why it happens you'll do the same being a pretty experienced ski tourer too

[XXX-er]

Yep, I got mine last year so you are correct on that front. Is there any sort of fix for it or is it just something i have to live with?

I would ask Dave ... he has always treated you well

[lucknau]

For anyone that has done a test mount before their final one, is there anything particular to know or watch out for when sliding the toe forward to reveal the back two screws? The piece of plastic those screws mount through is pretty thin, and I don't want to break it in the process of removing the toe from the test mount.

Confirming that there's not a whole lot to worry about. The tab will pop out sometimes, and it can be popped back in. I did about 10 test mounts when making the template. I think the tabs that keep it from sliding fore and aft will wear a bit, but the part's main purpose (I assume), to prevent upward motion, shouldn't be compromised.

[burrito]

Confirming that there's not a whole lot to worry about. The tab will pop out sometimes, and it can be popped back in. I did about 10 test mounts when making the template. I think the tabs that keep it from sliding fore and aft will wear a bit, but the part's main purpose (I assume), to prevent upward motion, shouldn't be compromised.

Many thanks. With as flimsy as that plastic piece is I can't imagine those screws are doing much more than keeping snow from getting under the AFD. I really doubt they're actually holding the binding in place when it's under stress.

[lucknau]

Many thanks. With as flimsy as that plastic piece is I can't imagine those screws are doing much more than keeping snow from getting under the AFD. I really doubt they're actually holding the binding in place when it's under stress.

Yeah, probably true.

The thing I keep fixating on is that there are only two screws resisting forward force on the toe piece. Although I guess the only direct forward force on the toe should be from the forward release pressure of the heel. Still, I fixate.

[Angle Parking]

Once I figured out that I was hitting my brakes together and that was making them deploy I just started being a bit more conscious of it; had feet wider apart and it was all good. I bet now you know that's why it happens you'll do the same being a pretty experienced ski tourer too

So if i am understanding, my Shifts from last year have a bit of a ‘hair trigger’ as far-as the deployment of the breaks in walk mode is concerned. So basically, i am lightly clipping the break arms with my other foot when skinning and whamo, that is enough to make them deploy?

Makes sense since my visual inspections of both bondings reveals absolutely nothing out of the ordinary. Perhaps that little spring under the “stomp pad” was just a little too springy? Anyone know what the exact nature of the adjustment that were made to address this issue?


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[Havn]

So if i am understanding, my Shifts from last year have a bit of a ‘hair trigger’ as far-as the deployment of the breaks in walk mode is concerned. So basically, i am lightly clipping the break arms with my other foot when skinning and whamo, that is enough to make them deploy?

Makes sense since my visual inspections of both bondings reveals absolutely nothing out of the ordinary. Perhaps that little spring under the “stomp pad” was just a little too springy? Anyone know what the exact nature of the adjustment that were made to address this issue?


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This was Cody Townsend's response in the comments section of the Blister Gear review:


Cody Townsend
July 28, 2018 at 12:43 pm | Reply
Hey Jane,

Yes. That was a problem that popped up in the first sample production run that was given out to athletes and testers. It was identified and fixed before they went into the actual production. Quite often tiny little things pop up between the phases of small batch testing and production runs…hence why the do a non-public production run to test before releasing to the greater public. It was a small plastic mold tolerance that was a mm or so off and I have been assured that it has been fixed.

[swissiphic]

So if i am understanding, my Shifts from last year have a bit of a ‘hair trigger’ as far-as the deployment of the breaks in walk mode is concerned. So basically, i am lightly clipping the break arms with my other foot when skinning and whamo, that is enough to make them deploy?

Makes sense since my visual inspections of both bondings reveals absolutely nothing out of the ordinary. Perhaps that little spring under the “stomp pad” was just a little too springy? Anyone know what the exact nature of the adjustment that were made to address this issue?


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hey A.P., check yer pms.

[TahoeJ]

This was Cody Townsend's response in the comments section of the Blister Gear review:


Cody Townsend
July 28, 2018 at 12:43 pm| Reply
Hey Jane,

Yes. That was a problem that popped up in the first sample production run that was given out to athletes and testers. It was identified and fixed before they went into the actual production. Quite often tiny little things pop up between the phases of small batch testing and production runs…hence why the do a non-public production run to test before releasing to the greater public. It was a small plastic mold tolerance that was a mm or so off and I have been assured that it has been fixed.

Heh. You apparently don’t realize that’s Cody posting in this thread... that he started.

[Havn]

Heh. You apparently don’t realize that’s Cody posting in this thread... that he started.

😁

[burrito]

Yeah, probably true.

The thing I keep fixating on is that there are only two screws resisting forward force on the toe piece. Although I guess the only direct forward force on the toe should be from the forward release pressure of the heel. Still, I fixate.

I hadn't thought of it that way. There's probably some friction force from the front screw receptacle thing, too. The biggest potential issue I see is landing hard with your weight too far forward off of a cliff or an air.

[Alkasquawlik]

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Is this where I call you a JONG?

[retirwntm]

Is this where I call you a JONG?

How did it take this long?!?


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[Havn]

The name is well deserved...ha

[anotherVTskibum]

Since my last post seems to have disappeared, another data point: snug but seemingly functional fit with 110s on a 115-waisted Anima.