Las Vegas shooting thread moved to polyass

[Rideski]

I'm a gun owner and an advocate of some various types of gun control. Just tying to help. Going outside now.

[DougW]

So find me an instance in this thread where someone is taking the position of banning all guns.
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By using the Australia model its pretty close to banning all guns larger than a 22. Anything bigger than 22 bolt action is a higher class that requires a reason like being a hunter. After that very tough. Essentially no hand guns or semi auto in the hands of Joe public or farmers. A farmer can have a 22 semi auto 5 mag? for varmint control. The whole idea of guns for personal protection is out the window using the Australian model of controls. Don't know the breakdown of guns in US but I would think that a very high % would not be allowed in OZ, 75 % maybe. Every hand gun, semi auto , Grampas old M1 etc.

[Game Over]

I did, in another thread exactly like this one some months ago that you participated in. I debunked your ridiculous claim about gun ownership (not the number of guns in the country) increasing then, as others have done here. Yet you keep pushing the same narrative.


If I recall correctly it went like this.

Me: gun ownership hasn't risen (charts, stats, etc)
You: I don't understand how gun ownership has risen, yet violent crime is down.
Me: Repeats self with additional citations
You: Repeats same arguement

.....

Some months pass:

Beer Drinker: Explain to me why gun ownership is up and violent crime is down?
Multiple people explain same thing I did months ago.
Beer Drinker: Explain to me why gun ownership is up and violent crime is down?

Conclusion: Beer Drinker is a troll on this subject.

This matters so much because we all know correlation equals causation, right?

We need to stop funding science

And stop eating organic ASAP

[Meadow Skipper]

And stop eating organic ASAP

This explains a lot of the strange conversations I hear in the organic section of the food market.

[concretejungle]

This explains a lot of the strange conversations I hear in the organic section of the food market.

The scale isn't adjusted for the fact that you live in SF, NM, USA.

[mecc69]

This matters so much because we all know correlation equals causation, right?

I don't know why this is directed at me. I'm not making the correlation = causation argument here.

[Meadow Skipper]

The scale isn't adjusted for the fact that you live in SF, NM, USA.

Maybe the scale on the graph isn't adjusted, but my scale is. Point taken, it does take a little extra edge for a convo to stand out as weird here.

[Game Over]

I don't know why this is directed at me. I'm not making the correlation = causation argument here.

My point->You guys are arguing a moot point.
The number of guns and who owns them legally is not relevant.

The number of people hurt and killed is all that matters. And BD is right to say that the numbers show it's not as bad as it was. If anything that alone shows that there is a chance our increased gun control has possibly worked/helped.

Mazdaradi is right on handguns. Handguns are responsible for the majority of gun deaths. Due to their size and the huge number of them it's gonna take a while for them to vanish even if we implement a ban. They will be a problem for my lifetime regardless of legislation.

[wooley12]

Maybe whoever it was who spent their time actually making those graphs of "correlation? is an idiot ? Seem obvious to me that the author/artist is an idiot. Maybe worse.

[Meadow Skipper]

Maybe whoever it was who spent their time actually making those graphs of "correlation? is an idiot ? Seem obvious to me that the author/artist is an idiot. Maybe worse.

Whoosh!

[wooley12]

^^^^ Probability is high. I wasted my time and replied on FB. at a trumpster friend's share of a stupid meme.

" I did the math with help from a gun forum and Stephen Paddock had more killing power than a LSI ( Landing Ship Infrantry) with 36 Army Rangers spearheading the invasion of Sicily. In 10 minutes Steve was able to kill 58 and injure 500. OTOH, Charles Whitman, using legal weapons of the day, needed 96 minutes to kill 15 and injure 31. Progress? I'd like to make America great again. "

[wooley12]

Every morning I get up excited hear what I'm going to say.

[WTF is dat]

Interesting article in the New York Times about how households with guns were overwhelmingly likely to have voted for Donald Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...an-divide.html


Of course there are some exceptions to this, but it doesn’t surprise me that the people that live in fear of illegal immigrants and Mexican rapists feel the need to have guns in the house.

Wonder if beerdrinker is a trumpet ?

[WTF is dat]

If so->Would this make his point invalid?

Nope but there are plenty of other reasons that have already been discussed in depth that make his point invalid

[digitaldeath]

https://youtu.be/wZCO-06qRgY

Check out that

[WTF is dat]

Like? As I said-> IMO the only one worthwhile is that the gun death rate is down.

Since you apparently have not read much of this thread where we debunked this bullshit argument, I will briefly summarize for you.

The gun death rate for is down, so far, but we still have nearly 1/4th of the year left, and we are on pace to nearly meet 2016 in gun deaths if we continue at the current pace. So, to claim that the gun death rate is down when we still have 3 months left of 2017 is unbelievably disingenuous. Nevermind that 2015 and 2016 were record breaking years for gun violence, so to claim that gun deaths are down is really not saying much considering we are still at near record breaking levels.

[Game Over]

Since you apparently have not read much of this thread where we debunked this bullshit argument, I will briefly summarize for you.

The gun death rate for is down, so far, but we still have nearly 1/4th of the year left, and we are on pace to nearly meet 2016 in gun deaths if we continue at the current pace. So, to claim that the gun death rate is down when we still have 3 months left of 2017 is unbelievably disingenuous. Nevermind that 2015 and 2016 were record breaking years for gun violence, so to claim that gun deaths are down is really not saying much considering we are still at near record breaking levels.

Lulz. My contribution to this thread is worthy Imo. The facts stand in your way. 2017 will be another piece in a overall decline (even if it happens to be a anomaly).

And like I said earlier-> no doubt this decline is happening. Denying this would be like denying climate change.

[WTF is dat]

Lulz. My contribution to this thread is worthy Imo. The facts stand in your way. 2017 will be another piece in a overall decline (even if it happens to be a anomaly).

And like I said earlier-> no doubt this decline is happening. Denying this would be like denying climate change.

So your point is that there is nothing wrong with the current situation in the US? That the number of gun deaths is acceptable? Maybe we need more guns?


I’m sure that decline in gun violence has nothing to do with improved policing and usage of computers, the decline in alcohol consumption, the improved economy, and the overall decline in violent crime.

[Bobby Stainless]

Wonder if beerdrinker is a trumpet ?

I voted for Gary Johnson.

I said that earlier. Read.

[Bobby Stainless]

http://static.adweek.com/adweek.com-prod/files/2015_Mar/alcohol-consumption-2015.png[/IMG]

[Game Over]

So your point is that there is nothing wrong with the current situation in the US? That the number of gun deaths is acceptable? Maybe we need more guns?


I’m sure that decline in gun violence has nothing to do with improved policing and usage of computers, the decline in alcohol consumption, the improved economy, and the overall decline in violent crime.

No I didn't say that what so ever. Don't attempt to put words into my mouth.

Also I don't know what caused the decline. I just know the gun violence problem in America is nothing new and that it actually used to be worse.

[Adolf Allerbush]

Lulz. My contribution to this thread is worthy Imo. The facts stand in your way. 2017 will be another piece in a overall decline (even if it happens to be a anomaly).

And like I said earlier-> no doubt this decline is happening. Denying this would be like denying climate change.

Have you read freakonomics? Essentially identifies leagalized abortion as the reason for less crime. http://freakonomics.com/2005/05/15/a...d-you-believe/

Gun violence is still.a massive problem so I don't really understand the point that BD or you are trying to force here. Plus, 3/4 of 2017 doesn't show shit IMO.

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[XXX-er]

yeah i was gona say roe vs wade is contributing to a decrease in crime

I agree with BD that handguns kill way more people than assault rifles

as for what my great idea is to fix the probelem ... the genie is out of the bottle

[::: :::]

Like? As I said-> IMO the only one worthwhile is that the gun death rate is down.

You’re falling for BD’s near-sighted strategy of limiting the conversation to only what is convenient for “winning” the argument.

There is a bigger picture worthy of discussion and relevant to US culture, not to mention longer-term time scales to view what data are available and putting our situation into perspective among our global partners.

[Game Over]

I don't want to speak for BD but again my point is that this issue is nothing new.

No I'm not ok with it and I'm not going to pretend that I'm ignorant enough to think I know the answers.