
Originally Posted by
Leavenworth Skier
Let's discuss machetes, shovels, tractors, bulldozers, weedeaters, brush mowers, and other tools for property maintenance.
I'll start:
What 30-35hp tractor should I buy?

Originally Posted by
steepconcrete
You can't go wrong with a Deere
I disagree. I grew up with all John Deere on our farm. The older and bigger equipment is quality (like a 1960's era 4020), new CUT's are barely Deere (under 50 HP ish are pure Yanmar), which isn't bad in and off itself, but you're paying for the green paint more than anything else. Also stay away from the 3XXX E series, aluminum rear ends that are not very durable.
And, to seal the deal, John Deere is litigating all over the place and claiming you don't really own your equipment because of their bullshit EULA software license. They're fighting "right to repair" legislation left and right. So, fuck Deere.

Originally Posted by
Leavenworth Skier
So why a used tractor when a new one is not much more and comes with an extended warranty, and 0 Down/0% APR financing?
I just bought a 2000 Kubota 4310 a couple weeks ago, after MONTHS of research and shopping around all over the country. I have no brand loyalty, I wanted the best deal on the most reliable tractor I could find - I considered every manufacturer that is sold in the states. A few things that I think I discovered:
1. Buy bigger than you think you need.
2. If you aren't going to do your own maintenance you should probably get a brand that has a dealer nearby.
3. Kubota is some of the best bang for the buck and has better reliability than others IMHO.
4. If you truly compare apples to apples finding a good used deal is WAY cheaper than buying new. Dealer was quoting me 23k for a 37 HP new with rebates and such, a 47 HP was 28k (both standard models, no bells and whistles). I got a 43 HP deluxe model (yeah it's used and old, but tractors last forever if you take care of them) with 1700 hours (which isn't much) for 10k, I paid another 1100 to have it shipped from Iowa. Already have about 8 hours on it and it's great. And I saved a fuck load of money.
5. Texas seems to have the best pricing on used tractors (for reference, a super clean tractor that I was considering was going for 13k in Texas, here in Utah the exact same model with almost identical hours that came with an implement worth about $500 is listed for 26K). You'll also get something with next to no rust if you go Texas. I went for the one in Iowa because it was such a good deal.
6. Get on Tractorbynet and learn stuff, look at equipment on tractorhouse.com too.

Originally Posted by
Todd Zander
tier V
Tier IV final currently. But yeah, what he said. Older tractors don't have the DPF and EGR crap going on. Between Tier III and Tier IV tractor prices jumped across the board 4-5K (new) just because of the new emissions stuff. Now, I'm a pretty big tree hugger, but when it comes down to it, my 17 year old tractor uses less fuel than the new stuff and is far simpler and cheaper to run. With mixed use I'm using on average 0.6 gallons per hour (no typo, it's crazy efficient). Am I polluting more. Yes, most likely. In the grand scheme of things I pick my battles though.
And now, I can do all kinds of cool shit with this snowblower I picked up:

Also awesome: I can borrow neighbors' 3ph implements. Sunk two wood posts with the rear auger, piece of cake.
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