OFFICIAL 2017 MLB THREAD

[iceman]

I'm gonna buy some farmland down the road from Cooperstown and open The Hall of Very Good. Anyone interested? We'll make a fortune.

[irul&ublo]

I'm gonna buy some farmland down the road from Cooperstown and open The Hall of Meh. Anyone interested? We'll make a fortune.

FIFY....

You can fill it full of Red Sox

[Benny Profane]

I'm gonna buy some farmland down the road from Cooperstown and open The Hall of Very Good. Anyone interested? We'll make a fortune.

Didn't I tell you about my idea for an alternative to the HOF? I'm thinking Ballston Spa, close to Saratoga and not far from Cooperstown. Bar, of course. Ted Williams frozen head in a big jar as the centerpiece. Maybe a little ice fog flowing out for effect. Cage match every week between Sox and Yanks fans. With chains, no knives. Special exhibit all about the cocaine years, with guest lectures by, well, many. And on. It could be a lot of fun. And profitable. Except for the legal costs.

[ex-powderbroker]

packed ballot

[BmillsSkier]

Heh, no one likes Jeff Kent.

[BmillsSkier]

Congrats Jimmy, you big dumb ox.

[irul&ublo]

Heh, no one likes Jeff Kent.

Jeff Kent was a borderline great player, but a real asshole. His teammates liked Bonds better. That should tell you something

[iceman]

Jeff Kent was a borderline great player, but a real asshole.

Kind of amazing he wasn't a Yankee.

[SkiCougar]

I'm gonna buy some farmland down the road from Cooperstown and open The Hall of Very Good. Anyone interested? We'll make a fortune.

if billy wagner, brad lidge or carlos lee get in the Hall, i'll pitch in and put them up so they'll be in both to show what a farce their HOF induction is.

I have watched many an astro game and kept up with their careers and there is no way they deserve to get in.

[Danno]

Kind of amazing he wasn't a Yankee.

well done sir.

[dunfree]

I'm gonna buy some farmland down the road from Cooperstown and open The Hall of Very Good. Anyone interested? We'll make a fortune.

Given Clemens and Bonds will probably never make the HOF, call it the Hall of the Greats. The same assholes who voted Bonds MVP 7-times decide he's not good enough for the HOF. WTF?

[BmillsSkier]

Jeff Kent was a borderline great player, but a real asshole. His teammates liked Bonds better. That should tell you something

Anyone remember that espn the magazine commercial where they kept covering up Kent’s face with more and more logos and ads. Hilarious.

[powpig]

Edgar Martinez has one more chance to get the 75% needed
for induction. 20 votes shy this round for the best dh in mlb.

Can you or anyone else make the case for why Martinez deserves to be in the HoF over Fred McGriff?
Crime Dog had 184 more HR, 243 more hits, 289 more RBI, scored 130 more runs, and actually played the field.
I'm not even saying McGriff deserves to be in the HoF, but compared to Martinez, he's a no brainer.

The 2 guys who I think deserve serious consideration who are virtually ignored are Omar Vizquel & Jeff Kent.

Vizquel is an 11 time Gold Glove winner who's career stats stack up quite nicely when compared to Ozzie Smith, the most overrated guy in the HoF in my opinion.

Kent is the all time leader in many offensive categories for 2B. His detractors like to mention his mediocre at best defense, and these same hypocrites vote for Edgar Martinez on their ballots, a guy who never even sniffed mediocre and was just plain awful with a glove.

[BmillsSkier]

Can you or anyone else make the case for why Martinez deserves to be in the HoF over Fred McGriff?
Crime Dog had 184 more HR, 243 more hits, 289 more RBI, scored 130 more runs, and actually played the field.
I'm not even saying McGriff deserves to be in the HoF, but compared to Martinez, he's a no brainer.

The 2 guys who I think deserve serious consideration who are virtually ignored are Omar Vizquel & Jeff Kent.

Vizquel is an 11 time Gold Glove winner who's career stats stack up quite nicely when compared to Ozzie Smith, the most overrated guy in the HoF in my opinion.

Kent is the all time leader in many offensive categories for 2B. His detractors like to mention his mediocre at best defense, and these same hypocrites vote for Edgar Martinez on their ballots, a guy who never even sniffed mediocre and was just plain awful with a glove.

Dilly Dilly!

[Danno]

Can you or anyone else make the case for why Martinez deserves to be in the HoF over Fred McGriff?
Crime Dog had 184 more HR, 243 more hits, 289 more RBI, scored 130 more runs, and actually played the field.
I'm not even saying McGriff deserves to be in the HoF, but compared to Martinez, he's a no brainer.

The 2 guys who I think deserve serious consideration who are virtually ignored are Omar Vizquel & Jeff Kent.

Vizquel is an 11 time Gold Glove winner who's career stats stack up quite nicely when compared to Ozzie Smith, the most overrated guy in the HoF in my opinion.

Kent is the all time leader in many offensive categories for 2B. His detractors like to mention his mediocre at best defense, and these same hypocrites vote for Edgar Martinez on their ballots, a guy who never even sniffed mediocre and was just plain awful with a glove.

First off, Edgar was moved to DH not because he was awful with the glove, it's because of injuries. Vizquel is seriously overrated; very good glove for many years. Kent was an asshole and his candidacy is hurt as a result.

All of your stats are basic counting numbers. Yes, McGriff has more than Martinez, and longevity is worth something, but McGriff had 3 more seasons of plate appearances; Edgar would make up that gap pretty quickly in 1500 plate appearances. Also, you ignore stats like BA (.312 to .284), OBP (.418 to .377), Slugging (.515 to .509), OPS+ (147 to 134). McGriff played the field, sure, but his DWAR shows that he was worth -9 WAR "more" than Edgar; I don't think that's a reason to celebrate him. As for OWAR, Edgar has that one (66.4 to 55.5), and that, BTW, is a counting stat. So in 3 full seasons less, Edgar accumulated 11 more WAR. That is hudge. For me, it's also the eye test on top of all this. McGriff was a very good player for a long time. Edgar was one of the most feared hitters in the game.

Sources:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...cgrifr01.shtml
https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...artied01.shtml

I think McGriff deserves more credit than he's gotten, and had he hit 7 more HRs he might be in. But he wasn't as good a player as Edgar, he just played longer. Your argument is the classic "do we value longevity or do we value peak performance"? I think we should value both, a player with a shorter career damn well better have some badass peak numbers. But Edgar does.

[jono]

Only hitter that Yankee closer guy ever feared. Baseball writers, though. Not players.

[BmillsSkier]

First off, Edgar was moved to DH not because he was awful with the glove, it's because of injuries. Vizquel is seriously overrated; very good glove for many years. Kent was an asshole and his candidacy is hurt as a result.

All of your stats are basic counting numbers. Yes, McGriff has more than Martinez, and longevity is worth something, but McGriff had 3 more seasons of plate appearances; Edgar would make up that gap pretty quickly in 1500 plate appearances. Also, you ignore stats like BA (.312 to .284), OBP (.418 to .377), Slugging (.515 to .509), OPS+ (147 to 134). McGriff played the field, sure, but his DWAR shows that he was worth -9 WAR "more" than Edgar; I don't think that's a reason to celebrate him. As for OWAR, Edgar has that one (66.4 to 55.5), and that, BTW, is a counting stat. So in 3 full seasons less, Edgar accumulated 11 more WAR. That is hudge. For me, it's also the eye test on top of all this. McGriff was a very good player for a long time. Edgar was one of the most feared hitters in the game.

Sources:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...cgrifr01.shtml
https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...artied01.shtml

I think McGriff deserves more credit than he's gotten, and had he hit 7 more HRs he might be in. But he wasn't as good a player as Edgar, he just played longer. Your argument is the classic "do we value longevity or do we value peak performance"? I think we should value both, a player with a shorter career damn well better have some badass peak numbers. But Edgar does.

All that and the only thing you can counter with re: Omar was that he was "overrated"? Come on man!

11 Gold Gloves. Similar numbers to Ozzie. The best middle infield percentage in history. Put Omar in the Hall!

[Sirshredalot]

All that and the only thing you can counter with re: Omar was that he was "overrated"? Come on man!

11 Gold Gloves. Similar numbers to Ozzie. The best middle infield percentage in history. Put Omar in the Hall!

He wasn't just bad with the stick by Cooperstown standards, he was below league average.

[BmillsSkier]

He wasn't just bad with the stick by Cooperstown standards, he was below league average.

So it's an offense only measuring stick?

[ex-powderbroker]

without looking, crime dog put up his best numbers before offense exploded. i like edgar but i don’t think i’ve seen a dh that deserves to go in. vizquel never struck me as a hall of famer, maybe i’ll change my tune though.

vlad though, that guy had it. i remember the first time i saw him in at the big o, a few months to 20 years ago. the sound his bat made when he connected.

[iceman]

...i don’t think i’ve seen a dh that deserves to go in...

Sure you have.



and he sees you too

[BmillsSkier]

Fucking hell, work on replacing that bat in your lineup (near-league low HRs) before coronating him.

[ex-powderbroker]

Sure you have.



and he sees you too

Yeah, that guy was pretty good. I'd still make him sweat a couple years though

[iceman]

Hell I still wish he'd come back. How hard can the job be? C'mon.

[BmillsSkier]

Hell I still wish he'd come back. How hard can the job be? C'mon.

See de ball, hit dee ball?