The new -2017- CAST touring system thread

**phatboy64** · 01-21-2021, 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by HAB

The AFD not sitting 100% flush is pretty normal, but the rest of that is a mess. Get them to clean up the old volcanoes and torque everything down properly.

Exactly, all my setups have the AFD like that. It is due to the thin plate the binding sits on.

**DigSki** · 01-21-2021, 08:46 AM

Thanks for the guidance folks. Thinking about the problem more, the wobbly toe does seem pretty dangerous as it does seem like it would make things more likely to rip out. Hopefully they'll fix no questions ask once I show them; if they don't that'll be a huge bummer because I like shopping there.

I've read through this thread and it seems like the binders should take some effort to pull off once unlocked. Is there a value the screws should be torqued to, or just general "it should be snug"? Fine either way, just wanna know so I can talk somewhat intelligently to them.

**HAB** · 01-21-2021, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by DigSki

Thanks for the guidance folks. Thinking about the problem more, the wobbly toe does seem pretty dangerous as it does seem like it would make things more likely to rip out. Hopefully they'll fix no questions ask once I show them; if they don't that'll be a huge bummer because I like shopping there.

I've read through this thread and it seems like the binders should take some effort to pull off once unlocked. Is there a value the screws should be torqued to, or just general "it should be snug"? Fine either way, just wanna know so I can talk somewhat intelligently to them.

Shouldn't take much force. They're not going to just fall off when you open the catch, but they slide off pretty easily if the alignment of the shoulder screws is good.

Just normal binding screw snugness.

**grinch** · 01-30-2021, 11:38 PM

Would rossi fks 15's work with a cast toe pedestal ? Same binding as a pivot 15, as i undrerstand

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**CHAIR_97** · 01-30-2021, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by grinch

Would rossi fks 15's work with a cast toe pedestal ? Same binding as a pivot 15, as i undrerstand

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Think so

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**grinch** · 01-30-2021, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by SirVicSmasher

Think so

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So far so good then. Might have a shot at some reasonably priced fks 15's . Just want to confirm. I have a spare pedestal pair. Ive just been swapping my cast/p18 toes between 2 pairs of skis. Itd be nice to utilize both pedastal pairs
P15's work on the same cast pedestals as p18 pedestals? There is no difference in cast pedestal types? And they work for both/only p18 and p15?

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**CHAIR_97** · 01-30-2021, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by grinch

So far so good then. Might have a shot at some reasonably priced fks 15's . Just want to confirm. I have a spare pedestal pair. Ive just been swapping my cast/p18 toes between 2 pairs of skis. Itd be nice to utilize both pedastal pairs
P15's work on the same cast pedestals as p18 pedestals? There is no difference in cast pedestal types? And they work for both/only p18 and p15?

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To be certain ask Lars and Silas .
I still say yes.

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**grinch** · 01-30-2021, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by SirVicSmasher

To be certain ask Lars and Silas .
I still say yes.

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Good plan. Thanks V

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**HAB** · 02-06-2021, 10:24 AM

Probably a long shot, but does anyone have a single current gen toe pedestal spare?

**mr_pretzel** · 02-06-2021, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by HAB

Probably a long shot, but does anyone have a single current gen toe pedestal spare?

I have the last gen without the hex screw but with all the AFD’s if you’re in a pinch

**mlybb** · 03-01-2021, 12:32 PM

Looking for a reputable shop to do my mount--even better if you have personal experience with them mounting this exact setup.

I'm in Westchester County, NY, but can also do this in the SLC metro area.

**skibrd** · 03-01-2021, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by mlybb

Looking for a reputable shop to do my mount--even better if you have personal experience with them mounting this exact setup.

I'm in Westchester County, NY, but can also do this in the SLC metro area.

Wait until you get to SLC.

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**Judo Chop!** · 03-01-2021, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by HAB

Probably a long shot, but does anyone have a single current gen toe pedestal spare?

they do sell those as a part. Or possible as a pair.

**skibrd** · 03-01-2021, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Judo Chop!

they do sell those as a part. Or possible as a pair.

Call CAST

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**phatboy64** · 03-02-2021, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by Judo Chop!

they do sell those as a part. Or possible as a pair.

Looks like they are in stock

https://casttouring.com/en-us/produc...pedestal-pair/

**HAB** · 03-02-2021, 08:51 AM

Thanks guys. They were out of stock when I posted that, but I'm all set now.

**mlybb** · 03-02-2021, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by skibrd

Wait until you get to SLC.

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yes but where?

**Lechuga** · 03-04-2021, 08:03 PM

anybody have any experience w=switching pivot heels to different skis using heel coils on z cast system that way you only need one pair of pivots

**snowaddict91** · 03-04-2021, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Lechuga

anybody have any experience w=switching pivot heels to different skis using heel coils on z cast system that way you only need one pair of pivots

You'd want quiver killers, heli coils aren't really designed for regularly swapping. If your skis have different brake widths you should just source a second set of heels though as pivots are a PITA like that.

**retirwntm** · 03-05-2021, 09:24 AM

Two truths there. QK’s for sure and pivot binder heels do not make for an easy transition due to the brake pressure and not being able to strap them or unscrew them to get the heels screwed into the QK’s. Maybe a third truth is you’re better off getting a second set of heels and mounting them both then doing two sets of CAST toe plates and shoulder bolt set up’s.

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**lucknau** · 03-05-2021, 12:37 PM

I second that. An unmounted pivot heel is held together by a thin metal plate that, if you accidentally forget and put the brakes up when its still unmounted, can bend and allow the fucker blow to pieces on you. Binding still usable, but you have to reassemble it on the fly every time after that. Not to mention the other thing about an unmounted heel, where your OCD gets the best of you and you forget where to hold it when you flip the heel up, thus trapping your fucking fingers in the goddamned thing and have to free yourself somehow, using only your remaining hand and whatever nearby objects might be able to contribute to the effort, and then have what for some time after (if you’re lucky) will seem like permanent finger disfigurement.

**snowaddict91** · 03-05-2021, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by lucknau

I second that. An unmounted pivot heel is held together by a thin metal plate that, if you accidentally forget and put the brakes up when its still unmounted, can bend and allow the fucker blow to pieces on you. Binding still usable, but you have to reassemble it on the fly every time after that. Not to mention the other thing about an unmounted heel, where your OCD gets the best of you and you forget where to hold it when you flip the heel up, thus trapping your fucking fingers in the goddamned thing and have to free yourself somehow, using only your remaining hand and whatever nearby objects might be able to contribute to the effort, and then have what for some time after (if you’re lucky) will seem like permanent finger disfigurement.

Good advice right here.

If you don't need more than 14 DIN and aren't picky about being matchy-matchy, heels can be pretty easy to find. 14/18 and I think 12? DIN heels are identical other than spring and DIN indicator.

**snoboy** · 03-05-2021, 08:20 PM

Read back through the thread, you'll see that a few of us do run CAST shoulder bolts & plate up front with Binding Freedom (or QK if you must) inserts for heels. Works great. I have three pairs of skis with one pair of bindings. 5-10 min to swap them over.

**meter-man** · 03-05-2021, 08:31 PM

Anybody use Tecnica Zero G's with CAST 2.0 WTR AFDs? How's the "fit" of the toe?

(I know that it is not rated/certified/indemnified/whatever for 9523 boots, but looking for real world experience with this boot.)

Thanks y'all!

**galibier_numero_un** · 03-06-2021, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by lucknau

I second that. An unmounted pivot heel is held together by a thin metal plate that, if you accidentally forget and put the brakes up when its still unmounted, can bend and allow the fucker blow to pieces on you. Binding still usable, but you have to reassemble it on the fly every time after that. Not to mention the other thing about an unmounted heel, where your OCD gets the best of you and you forget where to hold it when you flip the heel up, thus trapping your fucking fingers in the goddamned thing and have to free yourself somehow, using only your remaining hand and whatever nearby objects might be able to contribute to the effort, and then have what for some time after (if you’re lucky) will seem like permanent finger disfigurement.

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