Decompression Event in an airliner

[Ted Striker]

Cool. I was under the impression that it had the steepest descent rate of all major US airports. Local lore I guess.

The final approach segment on rwy 27 is 3.5 degrees and "normal" is 3.0 so it is steeper, but since the airplane is in a high drag configuration at that point with the flaps and gear hanging out, it isn't particularly challenging.

So it could be the steepest final at a major airport (I dunno) but it isn't crazy like some of the smaller mountain airports.

Have you ever landed/taken off "6"(from the ocean side)?

It's always interesting sitting next to someone who hasn't landed in SAN..."should the office building be this close?"

Yes, but the other side is an upsidedown 6. Runways are named for their compass direction, so the two ends are always +/- 18 in relation to each other.

And they're right. That building shouldn't be there. WTF were they thinking?

[Game Over]

And they're right. That building shouldn't be there. WTF were they thinking?

At the hobby field Montgomery just to the east they made them take the top three stories off a building.

[summit]

I appreciate pisteoff's posts... are you a commercial pilot? What aircraft do you fly?

[Ted Striker]

Theoretically, the airline can say it is cheapest to have one pilot in the cockpit, and drop the requirement for a co-pilot.

Nope.

ICAO calls the shots.

Boeing and Airbus certify their airplanes for two pilot operation.

The rest of the world wouldn't allow entry of foreign carriers (US) that are non-compliant with international standards.

Plus, we still have unions.

[Ted Striker]

are you a commercial pilot? What aircraft do you fly?

Yes, and currently A320. Previously B757, B737, CRJ.

[huckbucket]

Business buddy of mine told a story of a long-haul in which he watched:

- One of the pilots leave the cockpit
- One of the stewardesses go in
- 10 mins passed
- Said stewardesses leaves the cockpit and proceeds to clean herself up (refresh makeup, etc)
- Second pilot returns to the cockpit

[plugboots]

^^^ Do you recall if the pilot's name was Otto?

[huckbucket]

Classic. Remind me I have to play that movie for my kids.

[BmillsSkier]

It is an obvious and forgone conclusion based upon statements regarding the 'administrative state' by various people in the administration including Trump. And regardless of the amazing and highly dedicated people who work there today, they will be squeezed by budget cuts and culling of personnel who don't drink the kool-aid. Sad times. Air safety is just one of the many areas that will be dynamited in the coming years.

Come on man, that's some serious chicken little sky is falling bullshit that is way too common these days. There's only so much damage one man can do when you have an entire industry and global aviation network of governments and agencies dedicated to air safety. If everyone keeps preaching doom and gloom about every single thing in this era we're all going to be very, very exhausted before the first year of his reign is even over. Breathe people. Trump isn't going to cause planes to crash into the sea any day now. Because:

Nope.

ICAO calls the shots.

Boeing and Airbus certify their airplanes for two pilot operation.

The rest of the world wouldn't allow entry of foreign carriers (US) that are non-compliant with international standards.

Plus, we still have unions.

Yes, and currently A320. Previously B757, B737, CRJ.

[Game Over]

I appreciate pisteoff's posts...

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[Ted Striker]

Ive had some bad flights, but the worst was flying out of Buenos Aires and having the pilot announce their World Cup win. And if the dancing in the aisles wasnt enough, they mis caculated fuel and we made an unschedueled stop in Mexico. We spent six hrs parked by ourselves, in the heat, with no power. I would have preffered rapid decompression.

The 6 hours on the ground stuck in that metal tube is the suck for sure.

So you're really not going to like this, but I guarantee that it wasn't a miscalculation, and the company's dispatch planned it that way.

The fuel requirement is to take off with enough to go to the planned destination, then divert to a secondary destination, plus an amount equal to a fixed flying time. Plus it takes fuel to lift more fuel, so if you need an extra 1000 lbs of fuel for the trip due to winds, you really need to add something like 1100 lbs because you'll burn the 100 to carry the 1000. (I'm making these numbers up)

And there is a maximum takeoff weight for any given runway and meteorological conditions. So if it was really hot that day, it might have been that they couldn't carry a full load without making a fuel stop.

On the more difficult legs to plan, dispatchers are often faced with the choice of adding fuel 'just in case', or bumping pax/bags, or just hope that it all works out (with the occasional fuel stop). It's a tough job for sure.

[bennymac]

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pisteoff- loving the insight you are providing.
if you're bored I would love to get a commercial pilots opinion about the article I posted earlier

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/busin...ight-447-crash

It's long so don't feel you have to indulge me.

The point about fuel stops meaning no bumped passengers/bags makes total sense but not something passengers would normally "get".

[Ted Striker]

Business buddy of mine told a story of a long-haul in which he watched:

- One of the pilots leave the cockpit
- One of the stewardesses go in
- 10 mins passed
- Said stewardesses leaves the cockpit and proceeds to clean herself up (refresh makeup, etc)
- Second pilot returns to the cockpit

-The PA button can occasionally get stuck.
-Captain says to FO, "man, I could use a coffee and a blowjob right now"
-Flight attendant (along with everybody else) hears this in the cabin, and walks quickly toward the cockpit to alert the crew
-Old lady in first class stops flight attendant and says, "wait, you forgot the coffee"

[Timberridge]

Yes, and currently A320.

Nice. You'll be the prefect person to ask...could Natalia have any hope to land the plane in real life?

[BmillsSkier]

Nice. You'll be the prefect person to ask...could Natalia have any hope to land the plane in real life?

Didn't have time to watch it. Does she make it back on the treadmill safely?

[Timberridge]

I don't want to spoil the ending.

[babybear]

i couldn't get all the way thru that but it looked about as successful as Melania trump trying to read to a bunch of kids

[frorider]

Is it happy?

[Timberridge]

I think a brief video tutorial such as above on how to land the particular plane you are flying on would be much more entertaining than the safety video in 3 languages they currently show.

I once flew from EWR to YYZ. I had done this flight a few times before and we'd always taken something on the order of the 737-200, but this time a DC-10 rolled up to the gate. I got on this relatively empty large plane thinking Continental musta just run out of 737's. All of the sudden 100+ Chinese people on a tour get on the plane and fill the plane up. The flight attendant asks the the three Chinese guys in front of me if they understood that they were in an Exit row. She just wanted to make sure they understood the instructions she was about to give.
One guy nods yes and says "Coca-Cola," the other guy says "me too."

After a quick seat swap I had the Exit row to myself the whole way to Toronto.

[BmillsSkier]

i couldn't get all the way thru that but it looked about as successful as Melania trump trying to read to a bunch of kids

To be fair I think English is her fourth language.

And I didn't watch to the end but she stayed away from the flight controls as well which is good.

[Timberridge]

And I didn't watch to the end but she stayed away from the flight controls as well which is good.

Models can be pilots...



And that one is an interesting one...

http://christinenegroni.blogspot.com...-offender.html

Salacious skies indeed.

[huckbucket]

I think a brief video tutorial such as above on how to land the particular plane you are flying on would be much more entertaining than the safety video in 3 languages they currently show.

I once flew from EWR to YYZ. I had done this flight a few times before and we'd always taken something on the order of the 737-200, but this time a DC-10 rolled up to the gate. I got on this relatively empty large plane thinking Continental musta just run out of 737's. All of the sudden 100+ Chinese people on a tour get on the plane and fill the plane up. The flight attendant asks the the three Chinese guys in front of me if they understood that they were in an Exit row. She just wanted to make sure they understood the instructions she was about to give.
One guy nods yes and says "Coca-Cola," the other guy says "me too."

After a quick seat swap I had the Exit row to myself the whole way to Toronto.

Listen up all you mouth-breathing TGR denizen!! Timberridge is a follow. Consistently bring the funnez. That is all.

[Ted Striker]

Nice. You'll be the prefect person to ask...could Natalia have any hope to land the plane in real life?

I dunno, but when I was young and single, I would've tried to land Natalia.

I think a brief video tutorial such as above on how to land the particular plane you are flying on would be much more entertaining than the safety video in 3 languages they currently show.

[Ted Striker]

I've just got to say that re: the accident Summit mentioned, Al Haynes the Captain of UA232, FO Records, SO Dvorak, and Denny Fitch the Check Airman deadheading on the flight, were true fucking heros. They should get the same (or higher) recognition as Sully. That crew did something considered unpossible: fly a DC10 without the flight controls. That is unquestionably considerably more difficult than gliding an airplane to an off-field landing.

Nobody ever trained for it - because there's no point, you're dead. Capt Haynes could've lost his composure, or gone into autocratic order-barking mode - either would've ensured everyone's fatality. But instead, he collaborated with Capt Fitch, received feedback from the whole crew, considered suggestions/options, and delegated tasks. They quite literally saved 185 lives that day.

[The AD]

I've just got to say that re: the accident Summit mentioned, Al Haynes the Captain of UA232, FO Records, SO Dvorak, and Denny Fitch the Check Airman deadheading on the flight, were true fucking heros. They should get the same (or higher) recognition as Sully. That crew did something considered unpossible: fly a DC10 without the flight controls. That is unquestionably considerably more difficult than gliding an airplane to an off-field landing.

That's an amazing story and I agree. I'll admit I find reading about airplane crashes fascinating. The aero industry has learned an incredible amount from these tragedies and the average Joe probably doesn't realize how much more safe flying is today because of this.