Apple is such a shitty company

[DasBlunt]

I manage 80 Ipads for our field guys. This qualifies me to say, unequivocally, that Apple sucks ass.

We are budgeting to replace them with Android or Windows tablets.

Ipads all suck......only the desk and lap tops are any good.....

you guys are wasting time that replacing them now, would save you more money, than waiting to save up...hahaha

[axebiker]

I thought they were on Surface?

Yep. I was replying to the post above mine.

[Skidog]

I trust Shroom.

Mine is mid-2012 and bomber. PC, most brands, suck and have about a 1.5-2.5 year lifespan.......

2012.......running faster than anything....even loaded with some crazy virus's and TONS of updates.....

What was PC running in 2012?

I am a sys admin. 17years in the game. Mostly Microsoft so PC based. My last Dell 4.5 years of daily work grind, travelling. Only refreshed cause they offered. Got the new Lenovo sitting here 3 months too lazy to transfer everything. Maybe y'all are a bit hard on machines, maybe too much porn? Don't know but I've never had a PC based laptop last less than 3 years of active duty and many more for other uses. Just my personal experience.

Nothing against Mac. I have an MBP just don't think they're all they are cracked up to be.

[shroom]

i don't necessarily think they are either, anymore. i'm pretty nervous about finding a replacement when mine does bite the dust. i also think apple's high-level strategy at this point is garbage.

i used to live in the sysadmin world (actually "devops" or whatever the shitfuck keyword term is this month), so my input is a little biased. have you ever dealt with winrm at scale? powershell is pretty fucking baller now but the stupid shit you need to do to get a windows box to do its job is ridiculous when compared to anything nix based. different discussion and whatnot, but my input as a guy that grew up on windows is the only people that love it are those that have not been overly exposed to what else is out there.

/ hopes pipedream doesnt see this thread

[ACH]

i'm pretty nervous about finding a replacement when mine does bite the dust. i also think apple's high-level strategy at this point is garbage.

I feel the same way.

[Skidog]

i don't necessarily think they are either, anymore. i'm pretty nervous about finding a replacement when mine does bite the dust. i also think apple's high-level strategy at this point is garbage.

i used to live in the sysadmin world (actually "devops" or whatever the shitfuck keyword term is this month), so my input is a little biased. have you ever dealt with winrm at scale? powershell is pretty fucking baller now but the stupid shit you need to do to get a windows box to do its job is ridiculous when compared to anything nix based. different discussion and whatnot, but my input as a guy that grew up on windows is the only people that love it are those that have not been overly exposed to what else is out there.

/ hopes pipedream doesnt see this thread

I've been exposed to the options and employ some Linux boxes for certain things. I adapt to my work environment. Currently we are a .Net shop. Mostly azure based servers and services. I will say this. Microsoft keeps me getting a paycheck with their difficult to come figure systems lol.

[GiBo]

Ipads all suck......only the desk and lap tops are any good.....

you guys are wasting time that replacing them now, would save you more money, than waiting to save up...hahaha

I've read that last sentence 5 times and still can't decipher it. We'll replace the IPads when they are end of life.

Regarding the laptops. We may go laptop for some workflows, but why would we spend $2000.00 on an Apple laptop for something that we can get for $800 in a window LT? And don't give me the old security, viruses, durability etc... bullshit. We've got that shit covered. We have plenty of Windows laptops- some over 8 years old. They are fine.

[ACH]

Regarding the laptops. We may go laptop for some workflows, but why would we spend $2000.00 on an Apple laptop for something that we can get for $800 in a window LT? And don't give me the old security, viruses, durability etc... bullshit. We've got that shit covered. We have plenty of Windows laptops- some over 8 years old. They are fine.

How are they being used, what type of work/application?

[GiBo]

How are they being used, what type of work/application?

Most of the IPads are used for an application called Cityworks, which is a browser based (HTML5) maintenance management system (CMMS). The users connect via 4g and VPN to the app server. The VPN connection is managed by a software called Netmotion. They also are using MS365 on them. Some other groups also VPN to another network that our SCADA resides on.

The laptop users are using the CMMS and 365, but also use them to store PLC programs- some of which require older OS's, so we have to have those laptops able to run multiple OS's.

[Pegleg]

I'm pretty sad to see the decline of Apple, but I guess no company stays on top forever. There was a long period there where MBPs were just head and shoulders above anything else in terms of construction, performance and how long they lasted before needing replacement. The last couple of MBPs we bought lasted around 8 years each, which is pretty incredible. My current one, a 2012, is going strong and doesn't seem likely to need anything new for a while.

But I agree that it appears that PC laptops have caught up, and now that Apple is doing stupid shit like removing all the connectors, adding a useless touch strip, getting rid of the magsafe power cable (which I love and has saved my computer at least twice), and generally missing the boat on what would actually seem like a legitimate upgrade, I'm starting to consider jumping platforms for my next computer. Only problem is that I'm pretty deep in the Apple ecosystem for music and media, so it'll require some effort to shift. But I don't use iTunes for video, and I never really adopted Apple Mail or iCloud, so hopefully it won't be too bad.

This all started when Apple forgot about the creative professionals (video, audio, multimedia) who were its passionate core users and became a phone company. I got into Macs when I was a recording engineer in the late 90s/early 2000s, and nothing compared. But times have changed.

[Skidog]

This all started when Apple forgot about the creative professionals (video, audio, multimedia) who were its passionate core users and became a phone company. I got into Macs when I was a recording engineer in the late 90s/early 2000s, and nothing compared. But times have changed.

Dead ON...they stopped being a computer company when the first Ipod hit the market....There is a reason you dont see a lot of mac these days in the biz world aside from the graphics folks (and most I know have switched), and some/most execs..obvious reasons for execs? Well they are special snowflakes....so..that lable status alone makes them want....

[bobz]

I'm pretty happy with my 2014ish MBP, still a solid high-performance laptop with an amazing display. But I remain too attached to most of the apps and free utilities I've accumulated for PC work, so replacing desktop with Mac is out of the question. And it looks like my desktop replacement is going to be a ThinkPad with a docking station, meaning that it will mostly replace my MBP as well.

Looking at Mac offerings these days, it's hard to avoid a "what, are you kidding?" reaction. I don't want fewer ports; I want to be able to plug in an external keyboard, and a mouse, and a big-ass media hard drive or two, and still be able to pop in a thumb drive. Oh yeah, and I've used USB hubs; they're flaky. Also want to plug in a second display and Ethernet, plus, um, plug-in power, you can't even take that for granted any more on some Macs due to their clean-lines-no-ports fetish.

And I want, need, a machine that's has ample RAM, not just now but for whatever "ample" will mean three years from now; lotso RAM please, and holy shit, Apple gouges hard on anything more than bare-bones RAM, and it's not upgradable. Bottom line, I can get a seriously loaded PC for the price of an okay-spec Mac.

I get the feeling that they're slacking the Mac line on purpose until iOS can grow in to an all-devices OS.

[Gerome]

But I agree that it appears that PC laptops have caught up, and now that Apple is doing stupid shit like removing all the connectors, adding a useless touch strip, getting rid of the magsafe power cable (which I love and has saved my computer at least twice), and generally missing the boat on what would actually seem like a legitimate upgrade, I'm starting to consider jumping platforms for my next computer. Only problem is that I'm pretty deep in the Apple ecosystem for music and media, so it'll require some effort to shift. But I don't use iTunes for video, and I never really adopted Apple Mail or iCloud, so hopefully it won't be too bad.

This all started when Apple forgot about the creative professionals (video, audio, multimedia) who were its passionate core users and became a phone company. I got into Macs when I was a recording engineer in the late 90s/early 2000s, and nothing compared. But times have changed.

So true! I work on PC since engineering applications all run on windows, but I like macbook. It's unbelievable to me that they eliminated all USB ports. There is so much hardware that relies on dedicated USB ports. Could you imagine how frustrated a music DJ would be if they brought all of their equipment, but couldn't play because of a misplaced converter cable? Multiply that by so many creative industries.

[ACH]

This all started when Apple forgot about the creative professionals (video, audio, multimedia) who were its passionate core users and became a phone company. I got into Macs when I was a recording engineer in the late 90s/early 2000s, and nothing compared. But times have changed.

Dead ON...they stopped being a computer company when the first Ipod hit the market....There is a reason you dont see a lot of mac these days in the biz world aside from the graphics folks (and most I know have switched), and some/most execs..obvious reasons for execs? Well they are special snowflakes....so..that lable status alone makes them want....

X3

Hoping to get another 4 ~ 6 years out of my current MBP and more for my MPT.

[neufox47]

I think its funny when people compare their $500 new egg deal laptop to a $2k mbp then exclaim, this PC is junk!

[Skidog]

I think its funny when people compare their $500 new egg deal laptop to a $2k mbp then exclaim, this PC is junk!

lol yeah but spend $2K on a PC based and put it next to a $2K MBP...well I think the person with the MBP will cry....

[Todd Zander]

MacBook battery replacements can be had for $50 and under. There are generally only a few screws to remove; the process is pretty simple and most batteries include the tools for the propriety screw heads.

Full disclosure: I think apple is awful for other reasons (forced upgrading- for example can't use iPhone 5 with OSX 10.6.8!). I own a chain of repair shops. We charge about $50 labor. Feel free to ask any questions, I'm happy to help. Ifixit.com is your friend

brief google search tells me i just cant lync a a 5 with a newer device running 10.6.8, because my 5 is up to date with 10.2.1.

I am the kind of person to pay a guy on cl locally to replace the screen so thanks for the heads up if it renders it useless.

[Svengali]

[Supermoon]

The absolutely only thing that keeps me on Apple computers is the OS. So much more intuitive and easy to use than Windows. I've had a lot of computers, both Windows and Mac (and a weird college affair with Linux), and the new Mac OS is just head and shoulders better than Windows for what I want to do.

Getting on a Windows machine is such a frustrating experience comparatively. I have a MBP that I'm hoping holds on long enough for Apple to get a fucking clue and make another laptop worth buying.

ETA: I'd actually be on board with the Thunderbolt-only ports if 1) the adapters weren't so clunky and 2) they kept the magsafe charger which has saved my laptop approx 1 million times in the last five years.

[east or bust]

I'm pretty sad to see the decline of Apple, but I guess no company stays on top forever. There was a long period there where MBPs were just head and shoulders above anything else in terms of construction, performance and how long they lasted before needing replacement. The last couple of MBPs we bought lasted around 8 years each, which is pretty incredible. My current one, a 2012, is going strong and doesn't seem likely to need anything new for a while.

But I agree that it appears that PC laptops have caught up, and now that Apple is doing stupid shit like removing all the connectors, adding a useless touch strip, getting rid of the magsafe power cable (which I love and has saved my computer at least twice), and generally missing the boat on what would actually seem like a legitimate upgrade, I'm starting to consider jumping platforms for my next computer. Only problem is that I'm pretty deep in the Apple ecosystem for music and media, so it'll require some effort to shift. But I don't use iTunes for video, and I never really adopted Apple Mail or iCloud, so hopefully it won't be too bad.

This pretty much describes me in a nutshell as well.

Not really up to date on what's out there as my 2012 MBP is going strong, so the elimination of the magsafe charger is new to me and pretty shocking. I want to see youtube littered with videos of people intentionally tripping over their cords just to prove a point.

This discussion is going to get me to take a look at PC's website, I have no experience with any of their top of the line computers.

[Binky]

itunes fucking sucks

I have never liked it or used it and never will.

straight-up fucking garbage

::end rant::

[concretejungle]

I thought they were on Surface?

They are and Bill Belichick doesn't like them either.

http://deadspin.com/bill-belichick-i...let-1787931452

[DasBlunt]

I think its funny when people compare their $500 new egg deal laptop to a $2k mbp then exclaim, this PC is junk!

OK OK, the MBP cost 1200 and the PC cost 650....but still.

the OS has been over the years just way smoother on a Mac... but that is changing.

[DBdude]

i find windows so much easier to use. doing anything with files on a Mac is a pain in the ass for me. i have been using windows since windowsNT and DOS 6.0