Meanwhile in Florida...

[Grizz]

Does such a place exist?

Well sure, but the volcano might get you.

[riser4]

Well sure, but the volcano might get you.

I was just rereading my post and had to the awful realization that I had forgotten something.

[KQ]

Next up:

https://www.sfgate.com/news/editorsp...d-15439863.php

I was just thinking about that building. I remember watching a report on it where residents could place a ball on the floor at one end of a room and it would roll to the other unassisted. No way in hell I'd be in a building like that but then I'm not super keen on apt type dwellings, don't like being at the mercy of all those other people leaving candles unattended, letting their kids play with lighters, overloading outlets etc. etc.

Seems anywhere in the inland Northeast would work

Lots of places in SE WA and NE OR would fit that bill as long as you maintained your defensible space.

[JayPowHound]

Seems anywhere in the inland Northeast would work


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Correct. None of those things are ever a concern except the hurricaine. Which yes, can cause some scary damage.. but at least we can see it coming and it's short lived

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[KQ]

Missing Woman Made Ominous Phone Call Before Miami Collapse

A resident missing in the Surfside apartment collapse told her son the building was making loud “creaking noises” a day earlier, he said.

“She just told me she had woken up around 3, 4 in the morning and had heard like some creaking noises,” her son, Pablo Rodriguez, told CNN on Thursday after part of the 12-story building tumbled to the ground. “They were loud enough to wake her.”

“It was like a comment that she made offhand, like that’s why she woke up and she wasn’t able to go back to sleep afterwards,” he added. “Now, in hindsight, you always wonder.”

Both his mother and grandmother are missing. Rodriguez told the cable network his hope is dimming.

“You always hold out hope, until you definitively know. But after seeing the video of the collapse, it’s increasingly difficult, because they were in that section that was pancaked in.”

About 100 people are missing after the structure near Miami came down with a roar early Thursday.

The building had been sinking for years and was deemed unstable, a researcher at Florida International University told USA Today. He stopped short of saying that was the cause.

“This is an extraordinarily unusual event, and it is dangerous and counterproductive to speculate on its cause,” former Surfside Mayor Daniel Dietch told the newspaper.

[Jax]

Video from a motion-detector cam placed inside a resident's unit that collapsed (they were out of town, hence using the cam). 13 seconds then lights out. You can hear the collapse. Crazy. This video will likely be important for investigators.

https://twitter.com/_rosiesantana/st...70894924992512

[seano732]

Video from a motion-detector cam placed inside a resident's unit that collapsed (they were out of town, hence using the cam). 13 seconds then lights out. You can hear the collapse. Crazy. This video will likely be important for investigators.

https://twitter.com/_rosiesantana/st...70894924992512

Holy Shit.

[Benny Profane]

Missing Woman Made Ominous Phone Call Before Miami Collapse

A resident missing in the Surfside apartment collapse told her son the building was making loud “creaking noises” a day earlier, he said.

“She just told me she had woken up around 3, 4 in the morning and had heard like some creaking noises,” her son, Pablo Rodriguez, told CNN on Thursday after part of the 12-story building tumbled to the ground. “They were loud enough to wake her.”

“It was like a comment that she made offhand, like that’s why she woke up and she wasn’t able to go back to sleep afterwards,” he added. “Now, in hindsight, you always wonder.”

Both his mother and grandmother are missing. Rodriguez told the cable network his hope is dimming.

“You always hold out hope, until you definitively know. But after seeing the video of the collapse, it’s increasingly difficult, because they were in that section that was pancaked in.”

About 100 people are missing after the structure near Miami came down with a roar early Thursday.

The building had been sinking for years and was deemed unstable, a researcher at Florida International University told USA Today. He stopped short of saying that was the cause.

“This is an extraordinarily unusual event, and it is dangerous and counterproductive to speculate on its cause,” former Surfside Mayor Daniel Dietch told the newspaper.

Well, yeah, I was thinking that there had to be some early action. This wouldn't happen in seconds.

You wonder if some couple were really going at it and that proved to be the coup de grace.

[KQ]

Holy Shit.

that groaning sound, so creepy

[bobz]

A few more and we'll finally reach third world status. Yay!

Remember this?

https://www.nola.com/news/courts/art...20d0be87d.html

"We don't have time for the engineering calculations." In a contractor email!! Hoo boy, famous last words.


This latest one in Florida is pretty horrific. I've read speculation that rising salt water into the foundation could potentially be a factor. On the other hand, the collapse is said to have been observed starting mid-height in the building, so who knows at this point.

[bobz]

Update: An eye-witness account (reportedly) felt the building about to collapse, and saw that there was a sinkhole outside the building where the pool used to be. And then apparently died in the moments after conveying that information by phone.

Oh, that, and building owners were warned of major structural damage two years ago.

[Benny Profane]

Here's the problem:

"The condominium complex had been preparing for the recertification that state law requires of similar buildings in the area that have reached 40 years of age, and was on notice that it needed to complete the repairs in order to pass inspection.

But solving the problem of water leaking down from the pool area into the garage was going to involve major work and cost millions of dollars. Brad Sohn, a lawyer representing at least one resident who has filed a lawsuit against the Champlain Towers South Condominium Association, said on Saturday that residents were facing assessments ranging from $80,000 to as high as $200,000."


Engineer Warned of ‘Major Structural Damage’ at Florida Condo Complex https://nyti.ms/3AalZe7


My complex is older. And, usually, older condo associations have an older, probably retired and living on retirement money resident majority. An 80-200 thousand special assessment would be impossible to collect. I could handle a recent 150 dollar a month five years assessment for new roofs, but that was a contentious vote four years ago, and, yes, this stuff goes to a vote and is pretty democratic in nature.
If old, 70s to 80s ski condo complexes hadn't appreciated like wildfire in the past few decades, they'd be left to crumble, too.

[Benny Profane]

Oh, and, fuck pools. My condo president wants to bury ours, and I'm with him.

[seano732]

Oh, and, fuck pools. My condo president wants to bury ours, and I'm with him.

Well I want to bury mine too……

[Benny Profane]

We actually pay extra property tax on ours. Stupid.

[Cono Este]

Here's the problem:

"The condominium complex had been preparing for the recertification that state law requires of similar buildings in the area that have reached 40 years of age, and was on notice that it needed to complete the repairs in order to pass inspection.

But solving the problem of water leaking down from the pool area into the garage was going to involve major work and cost millions of dollars. Brad Sohn, a lawyer representing at least one resident who has filed a lawsuit against the Champlain Towers South Condominium Association, said on Saturday that residents were facing assessments ranging from $80,000 to as high as $200,000."


Engineer Warned of ‘Major Structural Damage’ at Florida Condo Complex https://nyti.ms/3AalZe7


My complex is older. And, usually, older condo associations have an older, probably retired and living on retirement money resident majority. An 80-200 thousand special assessment would be impossible to collect. I could handle a recent 150 dollar a month five years assessment for new roofs, but that was a contentious vote four years ago, and, yes, this stuff goes to a vote and is pretty democratic in nature.
If old, 70s to 80s ski condo complexes hadn't appreciated like wildfire in the past few decades, they'd be left to crumble, too.

My first lawyer told me to never buy a condo. He sued them a living. Now I own one and am on the board. I can see how these owners were facing a huge special assessment. My mothers condo needed a new sea wall and some other serious work and it was millions spread out over standard retirees.


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[Benny Profane]

No, never buy a condo a hundred feet or so from the ocean. I mean, a seawall? For fucks sake. If your building needs a seawall, sell, dumbass.

You're probably going to watch shit like this go down over the next fifty years/century, because, in the last fifty years/century, we've been stupid enough to build tall towers right next to what can be a raging body of salt water, but, even in this case, a slow seep of salt water probably, eroding this building away. All up and down the east coast are towers in bad places. Goodbye, Myrtle Beach.

[Cono Este]

People are complaining the search is going too slow.

I don’t get why you can’t have 50 bucket lines, moving debris onto the beach.




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[seano732]

People are complaining the search is going too slow.

I don’t get why you can’t have 50 bucket lines, moving debris onto the beach.




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Probably because at this point it’s a fucking recovery operation, not a rescue, and it’d be REALLY bad if a secondary collapse wiped out your 50 bucket lines all at once……FFS.

[Benny Profane]

People are complaining the search is going too slow.

I don’t get why you can’t have 50 bucket lines, moving debris onto the beach.




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It's a smoldering pile of debris, chock full of all sorts of hazards. Mini trade towers.

[Skidog]

Probably because at this point it’s a fucking recovery operation, not a rescue, and it’d be REALLY bad if a secondary collapse wiped out your 50 bucket lines all at once……FFS.

Yeah seriously. I hear these people bitching, I get it, it's your family, but c'mon. They have zero idea of logistics in a operation like this. The rest of that building could go....if I were those guys I'd hold a file in my hand, hold it out, and say "you wanna handle this? Be my guest"

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[Jax]

From the huffpo article...

"...Authorities briefed news outlets on Saturday morning after speaking to families, and emphasized the problems posed by the fire and smoke. 'The stench is very thick,' Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said..."

[CantDog]

So terrible. Aunt and uncle of a friend of mine lived in that building and are still missing. I cant imagine going out that way.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

People are complaining the search is going too slow.

I don’t get why you can’t have 50 bucket lines, moving debris onto the beach.




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Maybe you should go volunteer


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[Kinnikinnick]

People are complaining the search is going too slow.

I don’t get why you can’t have 50 bucket lines, moving debris onto the beach.




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Critical thinking is not your strong suit


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