Truck snow tires

[SchralphMacchio]

Admittedly not a comprehensive test, but not a good look for the new Wildpeak. Basically twice the stopping distance on packed snow vs BFG and Firestone.

Yiiiiiiiikes. Makes me regret having put the AT4Ws on my travel trailer earlier this year. I was hoping for a durable year round tire that would give improved braking and lateral traction on snow and ice over the OEM trailer tire (Goodyear Endurance ST, had no complaints, but it was aged out and in need of replacement). Of course, I didn't really have much choice between Falken and other brands, I have clearance issues and 15" rims so Falken and Kumho had the only 3PMSF rated LT tire for my size and load requirements.

I'm at least running Hakka LT3 studless on the tow vehicle. In my state, when signs are flipped up, I'm required to put chains on both my tow vehicle and trailer, so I won't totally be dependent on the braking characteristics of the AT4W. But there are many times when chain control signs are not flipped up and I end up on slick roads ...

[Norseman]

Seriously look at the Nokian Outpost nAT

Confirmed the upcoming Hakka deal; buy 3, get 4 w a 2nd Point . S dealer. 11/25-12/2.

Yo thanks for these nuggets.

Needed new 3-seasons to replace worn Duratracs (Joey these aren't fkn winter tires you goombah, they suck in the snow).

Got 4 nAT's for less then a grand mounted and out the door with the buy 3 / 1 free dealio at a Point S shop. Stoked.

Hakka LT3's are already on the truck but will come off a little early in the spring to preserve.

[SnowMachine]

Yiiiiiiiikes. Makes me regret having put the AT4Ws on my travel trailer earlier this year. I was hoping for a durable year round tire that would give improved braking and lateral traction on snow and ice over the OEM trailer tire (Goodyear Endurance ST, had no complaints, but it was aged out and in need of replacement). Of course, I didn't really have much choice between Falken and other brands, I have clearance issues and 15" rims so Falken and Kumho had the only 3PMSF rated LT tire for my size and load requirements.

I'm at least running Hakka LT3 studless on the tow vehicle. In my state, when signs are flipped up, I'm required to put chains on both my tow vehicle and trailer, so I won't totally be dependent on the braking characteristics of the AT4W. But there are many times when chain control signs are not flipped up and I end up on slick roads ...

Wow.... really not impressive. I haven't seen other results that poor. I'll be interested in real world feedback.

Makes me feel good about the K03's that I put on my truck today.

[SchralphMacchio]

It does a little bit better in this test, bumping up from 2x the stopping distance to 1.3x the stopping distance. The reviewer also noted that Falken said that they specifically gave up snow performance in the LT sizes to accomplish their goals, but less so in the P-metric sizes. It could explain why inital anecdotes were that the AT4W was fine in snow, if the early reports were more from P-metric sizes?

https://www.tire-reviews.com/Article...e-for-2025.htm

Reference vehicle is also different, Raptor vs Jeep.

[L8APX]

5K update on these Yokohama geolander AT XD’s
They are loud in a humming way. They meet expectations in mud/rocks. Have decent road characteristics and I haven’t had them in snow yet. They were cheaper than bro gram tires so I’m happy for now.

[Hopeless Sinner]

Yiiiiiiiikes. Makes me regret having put the AT4Ws on my travel trailer earlier this year. I was hoping for a durable year round tire that would give improved braking and lateral traction on snow and ice over the OEM trailer tire (Goodyear Endurance ST, had no complaints, but it was aged out and in need of replacement). Of course, I didn't really have much choice between Falken and other brands, I have clearance issues and 15" rims so Falken and Kumho had the only 3PMSF rated LT tire for my size and load requirements.

I'm at least running Hakka LT3 studless on the tow vehicle. In my state, when signs are flipped up, I'm required to put chains on both my tow vehicle and trailer, so I won't totally be dependent on the braking characteristics of the AT4W. But there are many times when chain control signs are not flipped up and I end up on slick roads ...

Those are better tires than on about 95% of travel trailers on the road today. They'll be great.

[ASmileyFace]

Yo thanks for these nuggets.

Needed new 3-seasons to replace worn Duratracs (Joey these aren't fkn winter tires you goombah, they suck in the snow).

Got 4 nAT's for less then a grand mounted and out the door with the buy 3 / 1 free dealio at a Point S shop. Stoked.

Hakka LT3's are already on the truck but will come off a little early in the spring to preserve.

Less than a grand mounted has my attention. Need new three seasons at the end of this winter so these are now on my radar.

Back to winter tires, threw on my Blizzak's last week just in time for this big storm. Slush into ice mix around Silverton the last 24 hours and I haven't felt the need to swap into 4WD once. Nothing beats a true winter tire when you're actually driving on ice and snow for 4+ months a year It is worth the hassle of having two sets for sure.

[byates1]

100^

Been driving a 2 track dirt road 60 miles a day w 3 storms unplowed for weeks(hunting camp)

Now up wolf Creek daily. Cooper winterclaw w AWD fkin thing is a tank.

Winter tires are a requirement for anyone driving in snow on the reg.

[Foggy_Goggles]

Same. Roads have been all kinda of dog shit around here as is normal for early snow.

My new Cooper Snow Claws (studded) have been worth every penny. The "my ATs are fine" have never had winter tires. And plowing around here has become a joke.

None of the Berthoud Lots or Pull Outs get plowed on a regular basis. The County gets to the side streets just about whenever. And so it goes.

[Name Redacted]

I just go to the desert whenever it snows. AT tires kill it here. Ugh…

[SnowMachine]

Same. Roads have been all kinda of dog shit around here as is normal for early snow.

My new Cooper Snow Claws (studded) have been worth every penny. The "my ATs are fine" have never had winter tires. And plowing around here has become a joke.

None of the Berthoud Lots or Pull Outs get plowed on a regular basis. The County gets to the side streets just about whenever. And so it goes.

My AT's are fine. I have Blizzaks on my wife's car and (gasp!) MT's on my Jeep.

Granted, the Toyo Open Country MT is a different breed of MT. The Jeep is unstoppable on those. When it is truly fuckered (deep and snowy) out that's the vehicle I grab the keys for. When it's icy the Blizzaks get the nod.

[Foggy_Goggles]

Yeah, no. In their element, there is no comparison. And I run/have run Toyo MTs/CTs/AT3.

The MTs are the best on that list in deep snow. Look, I'm glad your tires are working for you. But living at 8500 off a dirt road, driving to and dealing with the fuckary of Berthoud, working on shittily plowed job sites, having 40 be a straight rink for the last 10 days and comparing my new tires on an F250 to my friends ATs and MTs and just looking around at the whips in the ditch and those no va in the parking lot....winter tires are just better.

Now I get that their are plenty of reason to not run them. But that don't make them better.

[Djongo Unchained]

As sweet as those Toyo MT's are at digging and moving, they def can get slidey on hard pack. I had the old Kelly version of that tread but with studs. It was great but after the wear down, they were just ok and needed a bit more attention.

[Harry]

My new Cooper Snow Claws (studded) have been worth every penny.

I am real happy with my Cooper Snow Claws too. I had to go with non-studded due to local regulations.

These are 285/70r17 and E-rated, I run them at 32psi for a smooth ride. Ford Bronco so I really don’t need the E-rating.

I posted a thorough review in one of the multiple snow tire threads on TGR. Why are there so many threads?

[Name Redacted]

Why are there so many threads?

Dude, we need to discuss truck snow tires separately from car snow tires, and every thread needs to debate AT tires vs snow tires. So that people can make the same arguments multiple times a year without looking like they are beating a dead horse in just one thread. It spreads it out thinner ya know? We probably just need a tire forum!

I have snows on three of my vehicles, no studs, and KO2s and At3s on my trucks. Guess I'm the only one who doesn't see that big of a difference. Maybe I drive like an old lady. Vehicle makes a bigger difference than anything obvs.

[Foggy_Goggles]

Harry, I did read your review and, to be honest, I just found the first semi relevant thread and posted in it.

Part of my logic is that the new ATs are pretty awesome but their winter performance suffers big time when they still have +/-15k of thread left.

But I don't hate, I'll pull ya out of the ditch no matter what tires you have.

[TAFKALVS]

Been happy with the studded cooper snow claws. Have run blizzacks, ipikes, and other snows. 2nd set I’ve owned of the coopers.

ATs suck on black ice and wet pack white ice. ATs are fine in cold continental weather/snow. In coastal mountain weather they are super dangerous when the temps are cold enough to refreeze the wet in to ice. Generally you’ll have a little water on top to lubricate as well.

I’ve run duratracs, Ko2, hankook ATs… nothing replaces a true snow tire for wet/black ice.

[Djongo Unchained]

Any tire works if you're driving slow as fuckall...


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[J. Barron DeJong]

Any tire works if you're driving slow as fuckall...


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Until you come upon a hill.

[SnowMachine]

Dude, we need to discuss truck snow tires separately from car snow tires, and every thread needs to debate AT tires vs snow tires. So that people can make the same arguments multiple times a year without looking like they are beating a dead horse in just one thread. It spreads it out thinner ya know? We probably just need a tire forum!

I have snows on three of my vehicles, no studs, and KO2s and At3s on my trucks. Guess I'm the only one who doesn't see that big of a difference. Maybe I drive like an old lady. Vehicle makes a bigger difference than anything obvs.

Kinda the same point I was making. AS car tires are shit turds. Fresh K03's on my 8k lb truck work pretty fucking good. MT's on my Jeep wouldn't be my first choice on ice, but when the snow is gooey and wet it goes down my driveway drama free while my ass is puckered up air tight in my wife's X5 on Blizzaks.

Tahoe conditions can be pretty different, too. It's rare for our roads to turn into full blown ice rinks.

I'm not saying anybody is wrong to run full winter tires and in a ton of cases I would do the same.

[SnowMachine]

Until you come upon a hill.

Not true. I literally could not move my Audi from my lower garage to my upper garage on Pilot Sport Cups. It went spinning down my driveway. I slung tow straps through the wheels and drug it back to the garage sideways with the tractor.

Edit: should have quoted the full text saying that any tire works if you go slow enough.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Not true. I literally could not move my Audi from my lower garage to my upper garage on Pilot Sport Cups. It went spinning down my driveway. I slung tow straps through the wheels and drug it back to the garage sideways with the tractor.

Edit: should have quoted the full text saying that any tire works if you go slow enough.

Yeah, I watched a guy trying to get out of Northstar in an older Outback during a storm. It’s a pretty moderate downhill slope but he couldn’t control himself. Would move a bit start sliding slide into the snow bank… pull out start sliding, into the snow bank. Repeat.

[TAFKALVS]

Kinda the same point I was making. AS car tires are shit turds. Fresh K03's on my 8k lb truck work pretty fucking good. MT's on my Jeep wouldn't be my first choice on ice, but when the snow is gooey and wet it goes down my driveway drama free while my ass is puckered up air tight in my wife's X5 on Blizzaks.

Tahoe conditions can be pretty different, too. It's rare for our roads to turn into full blown ice rinks.

I'm not saying anybody is wrong to run full winter tires and in a ton of cases I would do the same.

It’s fine in snow and slush. Black ice or refreeze slush with ATs = butthole puckered

[claymond]

ATs suck on black ice and wet pack white ice. ATs are fine in cold continental weather/snow. In coastal mountain weather they are super dangerous when the temps are cold enough to refreeze the wet in to ice. Generally you’ll have a little water on top to lubricate as well.

I’ve run duratracs, Ko2, hankook ATs… nothing replaces a true snow tire for wet/black ice.

Yep.

Drove my new studded Hakkapelitta LT3s on ice and packed snow for a couple days. No deep snow, but on white ice they're sick. Big step up from unstudded Cooper snows, not even in the same discussion as ATs. Had an open, white ice covered road so I experimented to find their limit, all in 2wd. Going 50 I got on the brakes pretty hard, like harder than I use the brakes in a week of normal dry road driving. No ABS activation, a few seconds and I was stopped. Normal dry road throttle use from a stop caused some wheelspin. Slightly gentler than normal tip in and I was fine. Got up to speed, and stood on the brakes quite hard. The ABS kicked in but that was a hard stop, harder than I brake in a month of normal driving. Took some uphill turns at the posted dry road suggested speed and didn't slide, purposely powerslid a couple corners and it was nice progressive oversteer. Pretty rad

[SnowMachine]

It’s fine in snow and slush. Black ice or refreeze slush with ATs = butthole puckered

Yeah.... Refreeze slush can create traction because on texture. Black ice, yes... bad. I feel like my current house has made me something of an expert on snow types. My driveway is 1/4 mile of 12% with a 90 degree turn at the bottom. The worst condition is sheet ice and then warm temps or rain. Cold ice is not big deal. When I scrape my driveway with a blade, then it warms up it is frightening (but you have to do it).

I sell tires and mount them in my shop at the top of the drive. I've gotten to experiment with everything including comparing studs back to back with MT's. The huge test is whether or not I can come to a complete stop on the driveway to throw sand. The Jeep on MT's pretty consistently is able. Part of it is lockers and low range. Lock both axles at the top of the driveway and go to low range and it can crawl down almost anything. Sometimes ABS is your worst nightmare. If it can't find traction it can get overwhelmed and just unlock everything. Snow tires can pretty consistently stop except when slush completely fills the tread and ABS loses its mind. Condition of tires is huge, too, obviously.

I'm reasonably convinced that outside hard sheet ice, there is almost no use case for studs anymore. The new snow compounds are so good. My experience is backed up by my Tire Rack rep who has confirmed that they are effectively phasing studs out (he is in Indianna).

Anyway, arguing about tires is fun because it is so dependent on snow types/conditions, vehicle and driver ability. There aren't a lot of absolutes except that the people that should be on snow tires usually aren't.

I will absolutely, without doubt, tell you that a Pirelli Scorpion AS is undoubtedly THE worst SUV tire in snow/ice and they come on far too many high end German SUV's. I can't tell you how many I see on cars in town. It scares me knowing that I share the road with those people.

Anyway.... I'm probably arguing just to argue on the internet. I definitely screen customers about their tires before I will bring cars up to my shop. I won't touch a car with AS tires unless I can see blacktop.