Truck snow tires

[summit]

I went to 17" wheels for the g2.5 Tundra for snows. I wanted to narrow up. That made the Hakka 10 SUVs super cheap at $216ea before the rebate in 265/70/17 which is 31.6" and slightly narrower than stock 275 32" tires. 2679lbs of rated load per tire at a comfortable 35psi. No handling issues!

Hakka 10 SUV is a vastly superior snow and ice tire to any 3PMSF rated AT, worlds better than studdless like DMV2 I drove for 10 years, and markedly better than even the studded LT3 unless you desperately need the E rating and intend to run high tire pressures to achieve a high load rating. I don't. If I went LT3 I woulda gone even narrower.

People forget that E rated tires usually require 80psi to get the rated load (65 for e2). That is a fucking uncomfortable pressure for driving around without a ginormous load in your bed. Folks should use a tire pressure / load calculator to see if their E rated tire can handle their truck at desirable road pressures.

I thought studdless was fine for 15 years, then I went Hakka 10 two winters ago... never going back to studdless.

If you think the KO2 is a good winter tire, then I don't know what the fuck to tell you except you don't know what you don't know. That wasn't even true 9 years ago. In 2015 they were better than most ATs, though still inferior to much older GY Wranglers SAs. KO2s are total crap compared to even studdless snows. The KO3 is better than KO2, but not worlds better, just like the AT3W is markedly better in snow/ice (and a better ride) than its AT4W replacement unless you truly needed that heavy duty load/hauling and mean to run high pressures to get it.

Nokian Outpost nATs in 285/75/18 with its all weather compound but burly carcass and E rating in a 34.8" diam will be my all weather AT summer ride, extends the Hakka 10s life and keeps me good in desert shoulder season. Should fit the Tundra with minimal/no mods using stock 18s with their -60 offset. Nokian OUtpost nATs are by all reports far and away the best AT tire out there for winter conditions, even better than the discontinued AT3W.

On siping, I think I'd look at siping a GY tire since many of theirs are not full depth siping from the factory, which causes remarkably falloffs in winter performance early in their wear cycle. But buying a tire plannning to sipe it means you probably should have picked a better suited tire to begin with!

[Djongo Unchained]

That’s repairable. Just do an inside patch.



fact.

I was kinda thinking on this myself.

If you or any of the mags who actually work on tires could give me any more info on best procedure and any past successes or failures, I'd be stoked. Feel free to PM me.

I switched the rear studded snow to the front, and put on one of my very new summer wheels onto that rear until I get it figgered.

Thanks for some semblance of hope on this most hopeless of days...

[J. Barron DeJong]

I was kinda thinking on this myself.

If you or any of the mags who actually work on tires could give me any more info on best procedure and any past successes or failures, I'd be stoked. Feel free to PM me.

I switched the rear studded snow to the front, and put on one of my very new summer wheels onto that rear until I get it figgered.

Thanks for some semblance of hope on this most hopeless of days...

Everything I’ve ever seen has said that only punctures towards the center of the tread are repairable. Even a puncture in the area of the outermost tread lugs is deemed irreparable.

Maybe with a pinhole it’s worth trying since hopefully a failure doesn’t lead to rapid air loss - and possibly a crash…

[Djongo Unchained]

Yeah this is the thing... mostly it's just tooling to the ski area on flat easy roads in the winter. That, I might chance.
It's the going on a roadtrip in the winter in the Rockies that is questionable and I don't wanna have a blowout in shite weather, or any weather for that matter.

I might just try and find a good used snow tire in my size and call it good until spring.


On the other hand, I gotta believe a well done patch or blob of rubber glue inside, might do it.

[summit]

Plug + internal patch. Find someone who will do it on the side.

The worst that can happen is that it will leak again.

[XXX-er]

Its repairable If a tire store will repair it, last time i had a tire patched down they used a patch that had a plug in it so that might not work so good on a shoulder

[summit]

You can also plug + slime yourself... but make sure you use the yellow label slime if you have TPMS.

[m2711c]

Find an independent tire dude. You know, one of them old guys that does nothing but tires. They’ll fix anything for a couple of bucks. If you don’t have one of ‘em, come on down ta teh upstates. old Larry down at Larry’s tires Will be happy to fix you up.

[ASmileyFace]

I went to 17" wheels for the g2.5 Tundra for snows. I wanted to narrow up. That made the Hakka 10 SUVs super cheap at $216ea before the rebate in 265/70/17 which is 31.6" and slightly narrower than stock 275 32" tires. 2679lbs of rated load per tire at a comfortable 35psi. No handling issues!

Hakka 10 SUV is a vastly superior snow and ice tire to any 3PMSF rated AT, worlds better than studdless like DMV2 I drove for 10 years, and markedly better than even the studded LT3 unless you desperately need the E rating and intend to run high tire pressures to achieve a high load rating. I don't. If I went LT3 I woulda gone even narrower.

People forget that E rated tires usually require 80psi to get the rated load (65 for e2). That is a fucking uncomfortable pressure for driving around without a ginormous load in your bed. Folks should use a tire pressure / load calculator to see if their E rated tire can handle their truck at desirable road pressures.

I thought studdless was fine for 15 years, then I went Hakka 10 two winters ago... never going back to studdless.

If you think the KO2 is a good winter tire, then I don't know what the fuck to tell you except you don't know what you don't know. That wasn't even true 9 years ago. In 2015 they were better than most ATs, though still inferior to much older GY Wranglers SAs. KO2s are total crap compared to even studdless snows. The KO3 is better than KO2, but not worlds better, just like the AT3W is markedly better in snow/ice (and a better ride) than its AT4W replacement unless you truly needed that heavy duty load/hauling and mean to run high pressures to get it.

Nokian Outpost nATs in 285/75/18 with its all weather compound but burly carcass and E rating in a 34.8" diam will be my all weather AT summer ride, extends the Hakka 10s life and keeps me good in desert shoulder season. Should fit the Tundra with minimal/no mods using stock 18s with their -60 offset. Nokian OUtpost nATs are by all reports far and away the best AT tire out there for winter conditions, even better than the discontinued AT3W.

On siping, I think I'd look at siping a GY tire since many of theirs are not full depth siping from the factory, which causes remarkably falloffs in winter performance early in their wear cycle. But buying a tire plannning to sipe it means you probably should have picked a better suited tire to begin with!

I have DMV2 studless on my stock 20" rims (20" rims are fucking stupid, but it is what my truck came with) for my F150 currently and have had a great experience so far. I'll swap them on soon for their third winter and was planning on selling them at the beginning of next fall to fund some new winter tires to fit my 18" wheelset. Might have to go Hakka 10 SUVs based on this recommendation.

[summit]

I have DMV2 studless on my stock 20" rims (20" rims are fucking stupid, but it is what my truck came with) for my F150 currently and have had a great experience so far. I'll swap them on soon for their third winter and was planning on selling them at the beginning of next fall to fund some new winter tires to fit my 18" wheelset. Might have to go Hakka 10 SUVs based on this recommendation.

I loved the DMV2s, espeically since I was able to narrow to 245 from 265 on my 4runner and also Outback which made them so predictable slicing through heavy slush. DMV2s in soft snow were unstoppable and great handlers. Good but not killer on hardpack, and ice they were decent and predictable. I was unimpressed with their hydroplaning resistance.

A DMV2 issue that most people don't realize: the high grip compound was only there for the first 55% of the tread depth!!!!!!! If you have uneven wear, you suddenly had winter grip fading, potentially unequally... and with even treadwear, the 55% thing shortened the usable life on pricey tires... although sometimes it did let you just run them for the summer if mostly through the good compound IF not needing the durability of AT for trails. That was fine on a Subie, not so much on a truck or 4Runner.

Versus DMV2, the Hakka 10 SUV trades off a little bit of extra dry road noise and slightly longer dry stop distances in exchange for vastly better harpack snow and ice performance, plus improved predictability. Hakka 10s honestly makes driving on snow/ice like driving on dry pavement in all but the worst conditions. Next level! Hakka 10 had better wet/water performance. Also, I feel like Hakka 10 lasts longer and are more fuel efficient vs DMV2.

[Name Redacted]

My buddy’s Sprinter with studded snows was stuck and sliding sideways on freemont the other night. Crazy.

Would love to switch out my 20”s and get some 18s w35/s on my tundra. Maybe when the Falkens wear out. My Sequoia with KO2s is a tank in the snow. Drives great. My wife likes it better than her Rav w/ hakkas on it for commuting over vail pass. I have snow tires on some work vans. They do ok. The awd Express is also a tank in the snow. I feel like every car in my fleet is sufficient for a good driver to take out in really shitty conditions.

[summit]

My buddy’s Sprinter with studded snows was stuck and sliding sideways on freemont the other night. Crazy.

Would love to switch out my 20”s and get some 18s w35/s on my tundra. Maybe when the Falkens wear out. My Sequoia with KO2s is a tank in the snow. Drives great. My wife likes it better than her Rav w/ hakkas on it for commuting over vail pass. I have snow tires on some work vans. They do ok. The awd Express is also a tank in the snow. I feel like every car in my fleet is sufficient for a good driver to take out in really shitty conditions.

Shitty studded snows are still shitty. And sometimes it is the vehicle weight/distribution vs the tire dimensions. And sometimes it is strange conditions. I remember sliding sideways on Loveland Pass in a 4runner on DMV2s... it was remarkable icing conditions.

Seriously look at the Nokian Outpost nATs in 285/75/18 for your Tundra.

[XXX-er]

In BC the exclusive Hak dealer is Kal tire and they never ever put Haks on sale cuz they don't have to and Haks have always been kinda premium, so I had a quote of < 2800 for rims/ tires/ wheel nuts

so at Kal I end up dealing with the long time tennants son to whom I had just given my tired old dining room set last week and I been pretty good to that family

SO buddy gives me the " friend's and family " deal and knocks off 10% awesume !


I've had 4 sets of steel wheels/ shitty lug nuts rust big time, usually in the spring I can't get a socket on the cheap wheel nuts, Iv'e even knocked out a stud wanking about cuz they are rusted so bad. So I sprayed this new set of rims with Boesheild T9 and we will see how that stuff protects, also I bucked up with these wheel nuts that are 70$ a set but apparently they do not rust which will be worth the extra $$

[Hopeless Sinner]

Confirmed the upcoming Hakka deal; buy 3, get 4 w a 2nd Point . S dealer. 11/25-12/2.

[grskier]

I went to 17" wheels for the g2.5 Tundra for snows. I wanted to narrow up. That made the Hakka 10 SUVs super cheap at $216ea before the rebate in 265/70/17 which is 31.6" and slightly narrower than stock 275 32" tires. 2679lbs of rated load per tire at a comfortable 35psi. No handling issues!

Hakka 10 SUV is a vastly superior snow and ice tire to any 3PMSF rated AT, worlds better than studdless like DMV2 I drove for 10 years, and markedly better than even the studded LT3 unless you desperately need the E rating and intend to run high tire pressures to achieve a high load rating. I don't. If I went LT3 I woulda gone even narrower.

People forget that E rated tires usually require 80psi to get the rated load (65 for e2). That is a fucking uncomfortable pressure for driving around without a ginormous load in your bed. Folks should use a tire pressure / load calculator to see if their E rated tire can handle their truck at desirable road pressures.

I thought studdless was fine for 15 years, then I went Hakka 10 two winters ago... never going back to studdless.

If you think the KO2 is a good winter tire, then I don't know what the fuck to tell you except you don't know what you don't know. That wasn't even true 9 years ago. In 2015 they were better than most ATs, though still inferior to much older GY Wranglers SAs. KO2s are total crap compared to even studdless snows. The KO3 is better than KO2, but not worlds better, just like the AT3W is markedly better in snow/ice (and a better ride) than its AT4W replacement unless you truly needed that heavy duty load/hauling and mean to run high pressures to get it.

Nokian Outpost nATs in 285/75/18 with its all weather compound but burly carcass and E rating in a 34.8" diam will be my all weather AT summer ride, extends the Hakka 10s life and keeps me good in desert shoulder season. Should fit the Tundra with minimal/no mods using stock 18s with their -60 offset. Nokian OUtpost nATs are by all reports far and away the best AT tire out there for winter conditions, even better than the discontinued AT3W.

On siping, I think I'd look at siping a GY tire since many of theirs are not full depth siping from the factory, which causes remarkably falloffs in winter performance early in their wear cycle. But buying a tire plannning to sipe it means you probably should have picked a better suited tire to begin with!

I've been happy with the DMV2s, but I'll give those hakka 10 SUV a try on the F150 if they are beefy enough.

[bodywhomper]

Regarding tire pressure for e rate tires. Toyo has a good manual on this. I believe it can be applied to any tire (not just toyo). https://www.toyotires.com/tires-101/...lation-tables/

For my nearly stock Land Cruiser, using that manual, my cruiser rolls at 45psi based on vehicle weight and tire size with the e rate summer tires that are installed.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Regarding tire pressure for e rate tires. Toyo has a good manual on this. I believe it can be applied to any tire (not just toyo). https://www.toyotires.com/tires-101/...lation-tables/

For my nearly stock Land Cruiser, using that manual, my cruiser rolls at 45psi based on vehicle weight and tire size with the e rate summer tires that are installed.

Yes, those tables are industry standards.

[Foggy_Goggles]

Do we have about 19 tire threads?

Anywho, my all around badass 72 year old, doesn't open until 9am because he's at the gym, know what he's talking about, OF Upstate AF Granby mechanic that get get me, as an independent, any tire I want said.

Firestone Winterforce

or

Cooper SnowClaw

The SnowClaws were in stock at the the distributor so I'll be running those studded. Stoked to be driving to fast, to early to get the goods.

[Djongo Unchained]

Yup, Winterforce is what I'm rolling.

Altho at the moment it's only 3 with a new summer as #4 temporarily.

[chicken feathers]

Stoked to be driving to fast, to early to get the goods.

What it comes down to for me. If you live in snow country it’s a no brainer. Spend some coin on the right tool and life is good. No stress to go wherever I want, which works out to a lot more stoke.

[Djongo Unchained]

Same here. Too fast, too early is my style.

I've had more than a few mags join me on a big JH pow day, starting with being in the tram maze in the dark with a handful of other nuts.
Coffee, weed and some seriously stoked powhounds.

Shite tire guys riding the bus in and getting 400th tracks.

[plugboots]

^^^I resemble that remark.

[XXX-er]

What it comes down to for me. If you live in snow country it’s a no brainer. Spend some coin on the right tool and life is good. No stress to go wherever I want, which works out to a lot more stoke.

It has become a no brainer by repeating the " om studded Nokkian " mantra often enough, i seem to remember 15 yrs ago there was a question whether snow tires were needed and on the off chance they were " just get the cheap ones from wally world "

[XXX-er]

I've been happy with the DMV2s, but I'll give those hakka 10 SUV a try on the F150 if they are beefy enough.

Junior is a fairly serious gear freak and a pretty smart kid, he is rural, but is not hauling in winter so he put SUV's on his F150 and suggested I check out same to save a little on the Tundra but Nokian doesn't make em, i think the saving would be about 100$ a set

[summit]

It has become a no brainer by repeating the " om studded Nokkian " mantra often enough, i seem to remember 15 yrs ago there was a question whether snow tires were needed and on the off chance they were " just get the cheap ones from wally world "

I remember 20 years ago when I first got snows. It let me get by driving an old front wheel sedan for years. Then I got a SUV and learned that 4WD and ATs was sketchier than snow tires and front wheel drive when it came to handling, cornering, braking... the 4WD just helped with the go and don't get stuck.

"cheap snows from wally world" are always going to crush all season tires, which is what the discussion 15-20 years ago was. That is still true.