Rossignol Black Ops?

[Skiwald]

Sounds like the BO ninety eight out carves the SF one hundred? Either should be more playful than my dedicated carving skis so leaning towards the BO or unleashed ninety eight.


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[noslow]

Yes, the BO 98 a bit more precise than the SF 100 and similar to the Unleashed 98 but more damp and stable. With the Enforcer 104 in the quiver I'd lean BO 98 for a firmer conditions ski.
Btw-Had my contact at Corbett's compare the new 2026 Super Blackops 98 to the current version and same weight and tip shape so unchanged it looks like.

[DoubleBogey]

Black Ops 98 or Sender Soul 102 for all mountain ski? 90% on piste, zero park, the occasional side hit or whatever. Looking for good ride quality/dampness, late day choppiness etc... What's the difference between these two skis anyways?

[noslow]

Sender Soul 102 is the Soul 7 reinvented with better groomer chops but still very easy to ski. Similar weight to the BO 98 and SF 100 but tighter radius that pulls you into a turn more. Much lower speed limit than the other 2 as well. The BO 98 is more piste biased and SF 100 more all mountain/softer snow biased. Sounds like BO 98 is your ski for your use and preferences. I'd probably go a bit back of the -4.7cm mount though if you're aren't spinning etc. I went about -1.5cm/-6.25cm total and it was stable but still playful there.

[noslow]

View from 14 min mark onwards for a Sender Free 100/Blackops 98 and Sender Soul 102 comparison. They make the BO 98 sound more of a charger than it as as these are all around 2000gr a ski and not super stiff tip/tails.

https://youtu.be/RpT0a8vPJVw?si=RLZd5yYwAckq41Z9

[DoubleBogey]

Thanks for the summary

[kid-kapow]

cross post from the SF110 thread: For science!

SF100 mounted at -1 from rec, so 4.2 from center. SF100s and MF100s (mine are mounted +3 from rec) are 100% not the same ski with different constructions - they are different both with respect to shape (widest points), rec mount, flex pattern and construction (most notably titanal in the SFs). The rocker lines seem fairly similar though. The ski kinda differently too - SFs are looser, softer and easier to play around on, SFs have more umph and want to go straight / in big arcs. Both release the tails easily. It kinda feels like they took the BO98 and tweaked it into both a playful charger and a more park oriented playful all mountain ski, while upping the soft snow capability of both versions. I reset the edges at 1/2 on both - the tunes were not great. These should cover a huge range of skiers - very very good skis.

[Wes Mantooth]

Haha holy shit the 118s are so fun. What a crazy ski. Like everything you’d expect based on the shape and mount point is just completely wrong but in the best way


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[Skiwald]

cross post from the SF110 thread: For science!

SF100 mounted at -1 from rec, so 4.2 from center. SF100s and MF100s (mine are mounted +3 from rec) are 100% not the same ski with different constructions - they are different both with respect to shape (widest points), rec mount, flex pattern and construction (most notably titanal in the SFs). The rocker lines seem fairly similar though. The ski kinda differently too - SFs are looser, softer and easier to play around on, SFs have more umph and want to go straight / in big arcs. Both release the tails easily. It kinda feels like they took the BO98 and tweaked it into both a playful charger and a more park oriented playful all mountain ski, while upping the soft snow capability of both versions. I reset the edges at 1/2 on both - the tunes were not great. These should cover a huge range of skiers - very very good skis.

What are your thoughts between the MF one hundred vs BO ninety eight?


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[noslow]

Was on my BO 118 the other day in Revy in about 3" of fresh and were still an absolute riot in the trees and flew through the afternoon groomer crud with ease.
Very glad I have a backup set and pondering a second backup as I see great deals on them still and like the graphics better than the SF 118. Lack of AirTip a plus for damping noise too I think.

[Dantheman]

Haha holy shit the 118s are so fun. What a crazy ski. Like everything you’d expect based on the shape and mount point is just completely wrong but in the best way


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Heh, it's like the Matrix/Neo meme:

What if I told you...that a 118 waisted ski with a super progressive mount point and a mile of tip and tail rocker destroys crud and rails carves on firm snow?

[Wes Mantooth]

Heh, it's like the Matrix/Neo meme:

What if I told you...that a 118 waisted ski with a super progressive mount point and a mile of tip and tail rocker destroys crud and rails carves on firm snow?

Ha yeah. They’re kinda ridiculous. I’m a massive fan of Bibby Pros and now I’m trying to figure out how these things fit in a quiver with those. Maybe slightly less soft snow oriented?

I was skiing steep somewhat grabby chop, icy moguls, and groomers today and they performed well everywhere, especially for their width. At first I felt like the mount was reeeally far forward but never had any issues with tip dive or hooking

[beeeom]

Snagged a set of cheap used BO118s in 186. Ive always been hesitant to pull the trigger on this ski as it only straight pulls 184cm, but the low price lured me in. Im 6 foot 2, 200lbs and my daily driver is a 2014 Billy Goat 186, my charger is a 189 asym BG, and my chalky/hardpan/groomer ski is an M-Free 118. Holy hell the BO118 is badass! It instantly bumped the m-free 118 out of the chalky/hardpack/groomer slot. I serisouly havent ripped a ski that good on groomers since I raced 20+ years ago. Not to mention the fact that it rampages like a dog with two dicks on chalky snow and totally mutes out chatter on the worst refrozen steep mank imaginable. If Rossi ever releases a longer version, it might be the one ski to rule them all. The 186 (184) doesnt just doesnt have the stability for full send or enough float in deeper snow. Im thinking something that straight pulls around 188-189ish. I would buy the shit out of that ski at full retail price. Until then, the BGs reign supreme, but a longer BO118 has potential to be the ultimate.

[muted reborn]

Bought some used BO118s last night and skied them today in the sidecountry on some tracked up pow, windblown shit, frozen crust and week old untracked pow. I'm definitely impressed, it handled the questionable snow better than the J Ski Hotshot and much better than the Rustler 11 192s - but my Rustlers always sucked in shit snow.

I'm a bit worried about going over the bars at full speed but I also need more than 2 runs on it to figure them out. Thanks guys for hyping this ski up.

[Skip Dooley]

Got the non-eights in a one eight [emoji638]. They are a fun, chargy ski. Super poppy, stable, and a really impressive carver.

I mounted on the line. It’s slightly forward for my liking. I may remount one or two cm back. Even with that, it’s a great ski. Kind of wish it was a one eighty four or one eighty six. Don’t quite want a one ninety two in this ski, but I’m contemplating it more and more..


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[noslow]

Bit of an emoji nightmare on this site for posts but most directional skiers on the BO 118 are about -2cm from the line if around 150-160lbs, -2.5cm if around the 175lbs(I am that with my set and it is perfect there) and 200lbs plus are around the -3cm from rec or so. Ski is still plenty playful behind the line and very forgiving of mount points as are the rest of the Blackops/Sender Free lines and MFree 112 as well. Much better float, carving ability and stability back from the line.

[Wes Mantooth]

Yeah my pair is like -0.5 due to making the bindings work in existing holes but seems like these would ski just fine further back. I don’t really wanna make a 3rd set of holes but if given the option I’d put them at like -2 from the line. I lean towards directional skiing but most of my skis are in the -5-6 range from center so I’m not a -11 type of guy


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[Wes Mantooth]

Skied the BO118 right after Bibbys in similar conditions so got a bit of a back to back comparison. BOs definitely want to pull you into a turn and go across the hill more than Bibbys. Overall they’re a bit less chattery in firmer snow and poppier/jibbier. Both skis carve surprisingly well but BOs are the winner there.

Was instantly surprised how different they felt from one another, yet both do the same stuff extremely well

I feel like the BO will be my go to ski for days I’m skiing bowl laps at highlands. I think it’s more manageable in firm snow than the Bibby for getting through mogul chokes back to the lift and feels like a bit less ski.

I still like the Bibby more overall though for a 118 waisted ski. It floats better and is more versatile for different turn sizes in soft conditions. BO is like a fat all mtn ski vs Bibby is a highly capable pow ski


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[noslow]

Had the 184cm Bibby and the heavier build post 21 190cm 118 Wildcats and got the BO 118s the year after getting the 118 Wildcat.
Found for my 175lbs they offered similar float as I am at -5cm on the BO 118 and -6cm on the Moments. Moments are more stable with their very long turn radius but need more speed to come alive but BO 118 still plenty stable still. Huge carving and grip advantage to the BO 118 which is stupid good for their width. Much more forgiving in bumps too.
Sold my Moments after the first season of having the BO 118 but could see someone loving the Moments as they are great skis still.

[Wes Mantooth]

Yeah my Bibbys are 2013 190s so back from the original era. They’ve been a cold dead hands ski for me for the last 10+ years and the BO 118 hasn’t changed that, but when I got them I was curious if they would compete. Bibby still feels like a straighter faster ski for big turns which is what I want to do in soft-ish snow, but I feel like BO fills an interesting slot of crud busting where conditions don’t quite allow you to completely let loose

If I was going on a trip with some new snow expected I’d still rely on the Bibby, but been having fun messing around on the BO at home

[beeeom]

Bad news tall people

[shroom]

I’m apparently drunk

[SkiLyft]

Or not drunk enough


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[joesnow_]

Looking at some of these deals on the SBO 98s 192, very tempting - I daily drive a M102 191 but looking for something a little more easy-going to play around on for days when I want to go a little slower, or conditions are a little softer (have Blanks for big days). I'm a 190cm, 205lbs, directional skier skiing CDN rockies - Any folks with experience of both skis care to share your thoughts? Only hesitation is whether there's maybe a little too much overlap...and then I take a look at the top sheets again and the price and I'm back in the 'should I...' spiral...

[LC]

Sounds like the BO ninety eight out carves the SF one hundred? Either should be more playful than my dedicated carving skis so leaning towards the BO or unleashed ninety eight. Sent from my iPhone using TGR Forums

For whart it`s worth I`ve skied 191 Monster 98s since 2018 as the stiff skinny ski in my lineup and 192 Blackops 98s since 2022 and am about 80kg/180lbs. The Monster 98s I find very easy to ski for their stiffness and how stable they are when pushed hard. I skied a friend`s m103s a few times before I got the 98s and remember those requiring more effort. Blackops 98s are noticeably less stable and have less edge grip but still have a bit of backbone. Pretty much a stiff-ish mid-fat park ski which is what I was looking for. Whoever described them several pages back as ``kind of meh at everything but still really fun`` is about right. I skied the Monster 98s and Blackops 98s about the same amount this year and don`t find them to overlap at all. You`ll be fine.