Climate Change

[old goat]

It's all about the Snowflakes melting.

fify

[The AD]

15 consecutive months of the highest monthly temperature. I never thought I’d see it.

But it's been cool in Seattle, so I don't believe it. /s

[skaredshtles]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/16/weath...ate/index.html

This is fine...

[k2skier112]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/16/weath...ate/index.html

This is fine...

Somebody just made baby jebus made, it's all part of dog's plan

Anyone building a hudge 450' boat in NC?

[Trackhead]

Not to be fatalistic, but humanity is irrelevant and won't be around forever. Yeah, our kids, kids, kids.......we'll all be dead. We're a meaningless organism in a huge universe.

So on the other end, other than posting weather events, what is anybody doing about it? And does anyone give a shit enough to actually make meaningful life sacrifices of convenience to change the trajectory of anthropogenic factors?

I'm not calling bullshit on climate change, I'm calling bullshit on any single person willing to sacrifice either money, convenience, affluence, or lifestyle (or a combo of any of these) to make any meaningful benefit.

Only environmentalists I know are first generation poor immigrants who live 8-10 to a house, buy old recycled cars, recycle all sorts of shit into continued use instead of buying new, don't travel the world with their affluence, and "live simply" out of necessity. The rest are just armchair affluents looking to others to sacrifice. Relying on a vote to fix the world is lazy.

[PB]

Even those first gen poor immigrants are contributing: most of those crammed into that one room dwelling are their own offspring.
I don't think any one's saying that one person can make a significant difference in the ever-shrinking window we have left, nor do I think that large, Nation sized groups can collectively halt the process, let alone reverse it, by mandating huge life-style changes through consensus. I do think, however, that even just slowing it down is critical, giving us more time to try to monkey-puzzle our way out of it.

"Not to be fatalistic, but ......" was a dead giveaway!

[The AD]

I'd say a first step is actual acknowledgment that climate change is real and that we should take action to curb it at least to some extent. Now what that extent is is tricky, but how about for starters burning less fossil fuel? It seems like there is plenty of low-hanging fruit that many aren't even willing to make any inroads into because they're led to believe it's all a hoax.

[Flounder]

We’ve invested tens of thousands of dollars in things like solar, heat pumps, PHEV car, renovating for efficiency and not building new, and energy efficient appliances. We live in a house that’s small and well below our means. I’m now a remote worker so no commute, and my wife switched to teach at the neighborhood school so she can walk or bike. We grow a fair amount of our food, have near zero food waste, and eat a primarily vegetarian diet. Not all of these decisions were done specifically for climate change but all have an impact.

Perhaps in rural Montana you don’t see anyone doing anything but there lots of us out here trying to do our part. I guess to your point about only knowing recent immigrants that live this way, the fact that my wife and I both grew up poor probably makes it easier to live frugally. I suppose if we grew up with a lot of excess, it’d be harder to live like we do. We’re quite happy and the money saved has turned into a nice nest egg.

[skaredshtles]

Not to be fatalistic, but humanity is irrelevant and won't be around forever. Yeah, our kids, kids, kids.......we'll all be dead. We're a meaningless organism in a huge universe.

So on the other end, other than posting weather events, what is anybody doing about it? And does anyone give a shit enough to actually make meaningful life sacrifices of convenience to change the trajectory of anthropogenic factors?

I'm not calling bullshit on climate change, I'm calling bullshit on any single person willing to sacrifice either money, convenience, affluence, or lifestyle (or a combo of any of these) to make any meaningful benefit.

Only environmentalists I know are first generation poor immigrants who live 8-10 to a house, buy old recycled cars, recycle all sorts of shit into continued use instead of buying new, don't travel the world with their affluence, and "live simply" out of necessity. The rest are just armchair affluents looking to others to sacrifice. Relying on a vote to fix the world is lazy.

Doing things individually is laudable, but makes precisely DICK of a difference on a global scale. You and I aren't going to solve this, but that doesn't mean things can't be done to help.

A good first step, at least in our country, would be to start taxing the ever-living shit out of gasoline and robustly funding public transportation, IMO.

[Trackhead]

Perhaps in rural Montana you don’t see anyone doing anything but there lots of us out here trying to do our part.

I'd say 1/4 of my neighbors have $25,000+ invested into grid tie solar on their roofs, many drive full EV plug-in cars. I live in an overwhelming republican county. So your assessment is judgmental and biased with an odor of elitism. These are all above average income folks, who can afford environmental affluent things. Much like yourself, environmentalism in solar, EV, etc is an affluent trend not all can afford. The trailer park in town doesn't have any of those things. I think people in my area view solar as a fuck you to "big electricity" and energy independence more than doing something for the environment. The plug-ins are owned by commuters.

I think "living simply" is not only good for the environment, but also the mind/soul. Less "stuff" is liberating. It's also compatible with not having debt, which is equally nice.

Regarding self sacrifice, I don't mean voluntary self sacrifice. I'm talking, how much are you willing to pay out of your income in taxes for infrastructure supporting clean energy, etc? Is the collective willing to say, increase your tax liability by 10-20% if it was efficiently spent by the feds/state on clean energy infrastructure?

Not arguing, just questioning the dedication to the movement.

[neufox47]

Not to be fatalistic, but humanity is irrelevant and won't be around forever. Yeah, our kids, kids, kids.......we'll all be dead. We're a meaningless organism in a huge universe.

So on the other end, other than posting weather events, what is anybody doing about it? And does anyone give a shit enough to actually make meaningful life sacrifices of convenience to change the trajectory of anthropogenic factors?

I'm not calling bullshit on climate change, I'm calling bullshit on any single person willing to sacrifice either money, convenience, affluence, or lifestyle (or a combo of any of these) to make any meaningful benefit.

Only environmentalists I know are first generation poor immigrants who live 8-10 to a house, buy old recycled cars, recycle all sorts of shit into continued use instead of buying new, don't travel the world with their affluence, and "live simply" out of necessity. The rest are just armchair affluents looking to others to sacrifice. Relying on a vote to fix the world is lazy.

We are the only known intelligent life form on the only known planet that can harbor life and we’re irrelevant? I guess if you’re a nihilist and nothing matters.

Your points frankly are all recycled personal responsibility tropes. We’re doomed if we’re going to try to individually reduce our carbon use as a means to reduce global emissions. We need strong regulation and investment in renewables and new means of transport. No country has ever tried to fend off an invader with personal responsibility, they do it through massive centralized efforts.

A newish trope for the “conservative” boomers and older Gen X members is to no longer directly deny the existence of global warming but to say “well I’ll be dead before it gets really bad, then it’s THEIR problem”. Truly the Me Generation.

[skaredshtles]

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Regarding self sacrifice, I don't mean voluntary self sacrifice. I'm talking, how much are you willing to pay out of your income in taxes for infrastructure supporting clean energy, etc? Is the collective willing to say, increase your tax liability by 10-20% if it was efficiently spent by the feds/state on clean energy infrastructure?

I'm willing to pay a shitload more than I am currently. And would vote for candidates that supported it.

[Buster Highmen]

Getting uppity about climate change is one of the most obnoxious virtue signaling mechanisms out there.

That said, we do make a bunch of choices in that regard, but I'm not going to list them. And I do think it's up to each induHvidual to acknowledge cc and make an effort. Including voting.

But, yes to increased taxes if there's actual efficient use for not only environmental issues, but homelessness and more opportunity for disadvantaged.

As far as meaning goes, it is what we, people, give it. No more and for sure not less. Humanity, at least to me, is decidedly not irrelevant.

[Mofro261]

Not to be fatalistic, but humanity is irrelevant and won't be around forever. Yeah, our kids, kids, kids.......we'll all be dead. We're a meaningless organism in a huge universe.

So on the other end, other than posting weather events, what is anybody doing about it? And does anyone give a shit enough to actually make meaningful life sacrifices of convenience to change the trajectory of anthropogenic factors?

I'm not calling bullshit on climate change, I'm calling bullshit on any single person willing to sacrifice either money, convenience, affluence, or lifestyle (or a combo of any of these) to make any meaningful benefit.

Only environmentalists I know are first generation poor immigrants who live 8-10 to a house, buy old recycled cars, recycle all sorts of shit into continued use instead of buying new, don't travel the world with their affluence, and "live simply" out of necessity. The rest are just armchair affluents looking to others to sacrifice. Relying on a vote to fix the world is lazy.

Yet there you are working in health care under the guise of trying to save humans, and thus humanity through your own meaningful benefit. How does that jive with the world view you've outlined above, shouldn't you just let them die because they are bound to die anyway?

World isn't and has never been the black and white you're trying to paint with.

[Trackhead]

We are the only known intelligent life form on the only known planet that can harbor life and we’re irrelevant? I guess if you’re a nihilist and nothing matters.

Your points frankly are all recycled personal responsibility tropes.

I am enquiring as to what changes does the collective actually see as effective either on a personal or national scale. And how much sacrifice is the person willing to give it as a society or individual. Sacrifice can either be personal, or government mandated. Where the motivation comes from is not my ask isn't my ask.

[Trackhead]

Yet there you are working in health care under the guise of trying to save humans, and thus humanity through your own meaningful benefit. How does that jive with the world view you've outlined above, shouldn't you just let them die because they are bound to die anyway?

That's a stretch. A personal attack, and irrelavent.

[Mofro261]

That's a stretch. A personal attack, and irrelavent.

Read what you wrote again.

" I'm calling bullshit on any single person willing to sacrifice either money, convenience, affluence, or lifestyle (or a combo of any of these) to make any meaningful benefit."

You just called bullshit on yourself if you believe your own choices didn't have any benefit to humanity and there were no sacrifices of money, convenience, affluence, or lifestyle made in the process.

[old goat]

For starters Kamala could propose a 6000 tax on each kid, every year, instead of a tax credit.
At least Hamas and Israel are trying to do their part.

The earth cannot support 8 billion humans (is it 9 yet).
Climate refugees will overwhelm the rich northern countries.
War and disease are our best hope.

[WMD]

It's really quite simple. We need to stop burning shit for heat or power. As soon as possible. We have all kinds of alternatives and most don't require sacrifice, but they will require change. For many, the change won't really affect them (when you flip a light switch you want your lights to come on - do you care what made that happen?). But fossil fuel workers and communities face disruption, and fossil fuel owners will lose value.

This is just the first step, but it's a big one. More than 70% of emissions is from energy. Stop. Burning. Shit.

[Trackhead]

For starters Kamala could propose a 6000 tax on each kid, every year, instead of a tax credit.
At least Hamas and Israel are trying to do their part.

The earth cannot support 8 billion humans (is it 9 yet).
Climate refugees will overwhelm the rich northern countries.
War and disease are our best hope.

That's a very cynical view from a healthcare worker How could you work in a profession "saving lives" and hold such a volatile world view on humanity! Oh the shame of it all.

[Buster Highmen]

I don't get decrying individual efforts versus national, cultural or governmental efforts.

The result is a consequence of the collective and every induhvidual in the collective should be contributing something.

I don't have the clout of Chairman Bill (Gates) or Kamala, but that doesn't mean that the "little things" we do is irrelevant.

[Trackhead]

I don't get decrying individual efforts versus national, cultural or governmental efforts.

I see them as the same thing. One is done upstream of the individual, the other by the individual. Most of them done by the individual cost money and are more easily achievable for those with some sort of disposable income, or a real dedication to prioritizing money to those choices. The latter are imposed by the government, incentivized by the government, or in the form of taxes or downstream consumer price increases to meet government restrictions.

In the end, they all affect the individual (usually).

[Bunion 2020]

Regarding self sacrifice, I don't mean voluntary self sacrifice. I'm talking, how much are you willing to pay out of your income in taxes for infrastructure supporting clean energy, etc? Is the collective willing to say, increase your tax liability by 10-20% if it was efficiently spent by the feds/state on clean energy infrastructure?

Mighty big "IF". But, "IF" it was efficiently spent by the feds/state on clean energy infrastructure? Yes.

[The AD]

I don't have the clout of Chairman Bill (Gates) or Kamala, but that doesn't mean that the "little things" we do is irrelevant.

I agree. All those little things add up.

[Bunion 2020]

Climate refugees will overwhelm the rich northern countries.

Not if we build a wall.