Climate Change

[MultiVerse]

Not sure why you replied. He's obviously making fun of the deniers. No one on this forum could possibly be that dumb. ?

Normally this sort of comment would get filed under another one of Old Goat's daily non sequiturs but that meme is a denier trope, regardless of post intent:

https://www.reddit.com/r/forwardsfro...ve_extinction/

[byates1]

Well, it is a dry heat...

Lol!!

[sb]

[xyz]

Seriously though, there's millions of poor people that are trying to figure out how to feed their kids this week, I doubt they are really worried about the climate 100+ years from now.

Cheap and reliable fossil fuels enabling the poor to transition to our western lifestyle is this biggest threat to the climate.

The poor improving their lives must be stopped at all costs. I don’t think a culling program is out the question. Nothing is more important than the climate.

[MultiVerse]

lol, all teh olds getting in their outdated talking points. Solar offers the “cheapest…electricity in history” with the technology now cheaper than coal and gas in most major countries. In the not too distant future, sustainable renewable energy will unlock the economies of the developing world. Seriously, look it up, solar costs have fallen 90% in the last decade, onshore wind 70%, and batteries more than 90%.

When it comes to climate risk modeling, yeah, most models suggest it doesn't become a catastrophic problem for decades. But that's only the likely scenario. There are deep uncertainties in long term projections. Deniers often argue those uncertainties mean we can ignore the issue. The fact is though global temperatures are increasing at an increasing rate. Which suggests there's also a chance the planet will heat faster and more than expected.

[skaredshtles]

lol, all teh olds getting in their outdated talking points. Solar offers the “cheapest…electricity in history” with the technology now cheaper than coal and gas in most major countries. In the not too distant future, sustainable renewable energy will unlock the economies of the developing world. Seriously, look it up, solar costs have fallen 90% in the last decade, onshore wind 70%, and batteries more than 90%.

tHaT'S NoT WhAt fOx nEwS Is tElLiNg mE!!

[sb]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8hsS...lhbWpnYXBwMA==

[k2skier112]

Old man yells at clouds, details on Newsmax at 11:00

[The SnowShow]

Climate change is so woke man. I’m voting for the criminal.

[old goat]

Normally this sort of comment would get filed under another one of Old Goat's daily non sequiturs but that meme is a denier trope, regardless of post intent:

https://www.reddit.com/r/forwardsfro...ve_extinction/

Actually, it's one of my daily sarcasms. Although I have to admit I don't keep up with denier tropes. (The fact remains though that someone could post that seriously or sarcastically. It is hard to tell the difference online, as you can see. Which keeps this place interesting.)

[fomofo]

Climate change is “very real,” Harris said. “You ask anyone who lives in a state who has experienced these extreme weather occurrences who now is either being denied home insurance or it’s being jacked up; you ask anybody who has been the victim of what that means in terms of losing their home, having nowhere to go.”

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/11/nx-s1...ange-insurance

[raisingarizona13]

This would have been impressive to watch from a safe spot.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/13/clima...nal/index.html

[neufox47]

15 consecutive months of the highest monthly temperature. I never thought I’d see it. https://www.climate.gov/news-feature...20temperatures.

September will likely not beat September 2023 but will beat every other September on record. Ocean temps setting similar records. Serious question whether we ever again see monthly average temperatures below 2020 levels.


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[Bunion 2020]

Right now global weather seems very fucked up.

[interloper]

It's all about the Snowflakes.

[old goat]

It's all about the Snowflakes melting.

fify

[The AD]

15 consecutive months of the highest monthly temperature. I never thought I’d see it.

But it's been cool in Seattle, so I don't believe it. /s

[skaredshtles]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/16/weath...ate/index.html

This is fine...

[k2skier112]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/16/weath...ate/index.html

This is fine...

Somebody just made baby jebus made, it's all part of dog's plan

Anyone building a hudge 450' boat in NC?

[Trackhead]

Not to be fatalistic, but humanity is irrelevant and won't be around forever. Yeah, our kids, kids, kids.......we'll all be dead. We're a meaningless organism in a huge universe.

So on the other end, other than posting weather events, what is anybody doing about it? And does anyone give a shit enough to actually make meaningful life sacrifices of convenience to change the trajectory of anthropogenic factors?

I'm not calling bullshit on climate change, I'm calling bullshit on any single person willing to sacrifice either money, convenience, affluence, or lifestyle (or a combo of any of these) to make any meaningful benefit.

Only environmentalists I know are first generation poor immigrants who live 8-10 to a house, buy old recycled cars, recycle all sorts of shit into continued use instead of buying new, don't travel the world with their affluence, and "live simply" out of necessity. The rest are just armchair affluents looking to others to sacrifice. Relying on a vote to fix the world is lazy.

[PB]

Even those first gen poor immigrants are contributing: most of those crammed into that one room dwelling are their own offspring.
I don't think any one's saying that one person can make a significant difference in the ever-shrinking window we have left, nor do I think that large, Nation sized groups can collectively halt the process, let alone reverse it, by mandating huge life-style changes through consensus. I do think, however, that even just slowing it down is critical, giving us more time to try to monkey-puzzle our way out of it.

"Not to be fatalistic, but ......" was a dead giveaway!

[The AD]

I'd say a first step is actual acknowledgment that climate change is real and that we should take action to curb it at least to some extent. Now what that extent is is tricky, but how about for starters burning less fossil fuel? It seems like there is plenty of low-hanging fruit that many aren't even willing to make any inroads into because they're led to believe it's all a hoax.

[Flounder]

We’ve invested tens of thousands of dollars in things like solar, heat pumps, PHEV car, renovating for efficiency and not building new, and energy efficient appliances. We live in a house that’s small and well below our means. I’m now a remote worker so no commute, and my wife switched to teach at the neighborhood school so she can walk or bike. We grow a fair amount of our food, have near zero food waste, and eat a primarily vegetarian diet. Not all of these decisions were done specifically for climate change but all have an impact.

Perhaps in rural Montana you don’t see anyone doing anything but there lots of us out here trying to do our part. I guess to your point about only knowing recent immigrants that live this way, the fact that my wife and I both grew up poor probably makes it easier to live frugally. I suppose if we grew up with a lot of excess, it’d be harder to live like we do. We’re quite happy and the money saved has turned into a nice nest egg.

[skaredshtles]

Not to be fatalistic, but humanity is irrelevant and won't be around forever. Yeah, our kids, kids, kids.......we'll all be dead. We're a meaningless organism in a huge universe.

So on the other end, other than posting weather events, what is anybody doing about it? And does anyone give a shit enough to actually make meaningful life sacrifices of convenience to change the trajectory of anthropogenic factors?

I'm not calling bullshit on climate change, I'm calling bullshit on any single person willing to sacrifice either money, convenience, affluence, or lifestyle (or a combo of any of these) to make any meaningful benefit.

Only environmentalists I know are first generation poor immigrants who live 8-10 to a house, buy old recycled cars, recycle all sorts of shit into continued use instead of buying new, don't travel the world with their affluence, and "live simply" out of necessity. The rest are just armchair affluents looking to others to sacrifice. Relying on a vote to fix the world is lazy.

Doing things individually is laudable, but makes precisely DICK of a difference on a global scale. You and I aren't going to solve this, but that doesn't mean things can't be done to help.

A good first step, at least in our country, would be to start taxing the ever-living shit out of gasoline and robustly funding public transportation, IMO.

[Trackhead]

Perhaps in rural Montana you don’t see anyone doing anything but there lots of us out here trying to do our part.

I'd say 1/4 of my neighbors have $25,000+ invested into grid tie solar on their roofs, many drive full EV plug-in cars. I live in an overwhelming republican county. So your assessment is judgmental and biased with an odor of elitism. These are all above average income folks, who can afford environmental affluent things. Much like yourself, environmentalism in solar, EV, etc is an affluent trend not all can afford. The trailer park in town doesn't have any of those things. I think people in my area view solar as a fuck you to "big electricity" and energy independence more than doing something for the environment. The plug-ins are owned by commuters.

I think "living simply" is not only good for the environment, but also the mind/soul. Less "stuff" is liberating. It's also compatible with not having debt, which is equally nice.

Regarding self sacrifice, I don't mean voluntary self sacrifice. I'm talking, how much are you willing to pay out of your income in taxes for infrastructure supporting clean energy, etc? Is the collective willing to say, increase your tax liability by 10-20% if it was efficiently spent by the feds/state on clean energy infrastructure?

Not arguing, just questioning the dedication to the movement.