Climate Change

[xyz]

With favorable dew points and clear skies you can make snow up to 38f


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More than once I’ve almost ripped the liners out of my boots after hitting a patch of man made slop…

[romeo tango]

^^
try paying attention

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[old goat]

With favorable dew points and clear skies you can make snow up to 38f


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sure you can. If it gets that cold. And doesn't rain. And the sun stays off it. And you have water. And how many of us would ski if all we have is the few man made groomers. Around here the main use of snow making is to get a head start on the season and to put enough coverage on the lower runouts to extend the season.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Sorry, I was just pointing out that you can make snow when the weather doesn’t favor natural snow. As far as winter goes it has been unpredictable in a changing climate. Winter doesn’t seem different than 20 years ago except they’re more unpredictable. Usual patterns don’t have the same outcome anymore.

I think I see a pattern, unpredictability

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[neufox47]

About to head up to the mountains for the first turns of the season.. It's going to be 50-60 degrees at 5,000 feet up today. These 20.. 60... 20... 60 cycles are incredibly fucked up. It's pretty clear that ALL places below 10K elevation are toast without massive snowmaking infrastructure pretty soon.

This type of hyperbole isn’t helpful. It is unlikely anytime in our lifetimes that skiing is unsustainable in the US below 10k. Later opens, more rain, earlier closes, sure. The rain snow line has been gradually rising here in the Sierra and that is going to continue barring a massive external event (volcano, meteor, nuclear war, etc.).

[old goat]

Sorry, I was just pointing out that you can make snow when the weather doesn’t favor natural snow. As far as winter goes it has been unpredictable in a changing climate. Winter doesn’t seem different than 20 years ago except they’re more unpredictable. Usual patterns don’t have the same outcome anymore.

I think I see a pattern, unpredictability

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No apology necessary. Your point was clear and correct. But at least in the Tahoe area snowmaking can improve a ski season but it cannot sustain it or sustain the ski industry.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

We wouldn’t be skiing Mission Ridge without snow making most years. You could ski tour in the basin but not ride lifts in the current configuration. There would be no grooming. Maybe it would be like the old days


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[Bunion 2020]

Here is the thing. If you really care about fighting climate change then snow making should be one of the last things you are promoting (not that "you" are).

On a slightly humorous note, the Billionaires club has started making snow using treated effluent. It smells kind of like an outhouse. We will see if that is acceptable to the hoi polloi.

Meanwhile it is bumping into the 50s and partly sunny. Fuck it dude, time to go mountain biking.

[PB]

I, for one, welcome the fast approaching switch to all indoor skiing in climate controlled buildings.

[SumJongGuy]

How soon? That mantra has been bleated for a long time now. Not sure if you were paying attention but most of the western US set records last year for snow totals. A bunch of those resorts have a base level at or below 6k….


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Warmer air carries more moisture and blows out more snow when it hits cold air. It got better here too before it got worse..

[SumJongGuy]

This type of hyperbole isn’t helpful. It is unlikely anytime in our lifetimes that skiing is unsustainable in the US below 10k. Later opens, more rain, earlier closes, sure. The rain snow line has been gradually rising here in the Sierra and that is going to continue barring a massive external event (volcano, meteor, nuclear war, etc.).

Dude if they can't reliably open Thanksgiving anymore.. and Christmas is sketchy they might be able to run for 8 instead of 12 weeks, but that is not a sustainable business model..

[Bunion 2020]

^^^ You need to change that to "If" it hits cold air.

For example: It is warm here with a moist NW flow. That helps up high for the skiing some but it won't get us through a fire season. We need that 6500-8000K snow pack.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Dude if they can't reliably open Thanksgiving anymore.. and Christmas is sketchy they might be able to run for 8 instead of 12 weeks, but that is not a sustainable business model..

Are you talking about Carolina?

I’m not promoting snow making and I don’t really like skiing man made snow. The reality is before Mission Ridge expanded snow making they would often have to wait for natural snow in December to open. Now they can open reliably by the day after Thanksgiving. The snow season has shifted to later snow in the spring. Remember we’re talking about a hill that usually receives less than 200” of snow.


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[SumJongGuy]

Are you talking about Carolina?

I’m not promoting snow making and I don’t really like skiing man made snow. The reality is before Mission Ridge expanded snow making they would often have to wait for natural snow in December to open. Now they can open reliably by the day after Thanksgiving. The snow season has shifted to later snow in the spring. Remember we’re talking about a hill that usually receives less than 200” of snow.


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I know Minnesota now needs a lot more manmade to remail viable. The outdoor hockey rec leagues there and other northern states have been migrating to indoor rinks since the mid 80s. The impact of climate change is clearly visible if you look Pond skating is pretty much a thing of the past in places where it was a staple back in the 70s and 80s.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Look, I’m not a climate change denier. It’s happening and it’s affecting skiing in different ways. I don’t think I will see that much change or the end of skiing in my lifetime.


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[PB]

Yabbut ...... your 97.

[2FUNKY]

Yabbut ...... your 97.

His 97 what?….


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[MagnificentUnicorn]

It’s my 97!


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[skaredshtles]

[PB]

97 years old ..... almost as old as me. Not much climate change in the remains minutes of life?

You youngsters are a bit slow.

[skaredshtles]

97 years old ..... almost as old as me. Not much climate change in the remains minutes of life?

You youngsters are a bit slow.

Your the one that fucked up you're post.

[SumJongGuy]

Look, I’m not a climate change denier. It’s happening and it’s affecting skiing in different ways. I don’t think I will see that much change or the end of skiing in my lifetime.


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It's a lot more obvious over 50 years of skiing than it was at 20 years of skiing.. for me at least..

[mcski]

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[MTT]

Is there a thread on The pacific NW? I’m starting to see lots of noise about flooding on the TV

[PB]

Your the one that fucked up you're post.

Well ...... GEEZER ...... duh.