Climate Change

[xyz]

Again, don't let perfection stand in the way of obvious improvement.

It’s an improvement,just by one metric. But there are significant downsides when it’s hyped as a panacea.

My general point on wind and solar is their full story is suppressed and ultimately not a real solution. They are inefficient, unreliable and have massive footprints.

The only way out of this is nuclear power. It’s clean, reliable base load power. It has its issues too but it’s the best option.

Every dollar the world waste on virtue signal wind and solar projects is a dollar we could have spent on the real solution, nuclear. Look at Germany, they f’d up so hard by shutting down nukes in favour of wind and solar.


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[MagnificentUnicorn]

It’s an improvement,just by one metric. But there are significant downsides when it’s hyped as a panacea.

My general point on wind and solar is their full story is suppressed and ultimately not a real solution. They are inefficient, unreliable and have massive footprints.

The only way out of this is nuclear power. It’s clean, reliable base load power. It has its issues too but it’s the best option.

Every dollar the world waste on virtue signal wind and solar projects is a dollar we could have spent on the real solution, nuclear. Look at Germany, they f’d up so hard by shutting down nukes in favour of wind and solar.


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Nuclear reactors have the same efficiency as wind turbines, actually less if the wind turbines are in a favorable location. Don’t let facts get in the way of your opinion.

Solar really depends on location but is generally less efficient than wind or nuclear right now. Certain locations can approach >45% efficiency though.

I’m happy to live in a county with two large hydroelectric dams and the lowest electric rates in the country thanks to a PUD and 90% efficient turbines.
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[xyz]

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[Buzzworthy]

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You should probably do this for the last several pages of your posts as well.

[xyz]

You should probably do this for the last several pages of your posts as well.

Attitudes like yours are why the climate crisis will never be solved.

Fantasy and ideological thinking are why emissions keep climbing.


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[Buster Highmen]

Attitudes like yours are why the climate crisis will never be solved.

Fantasy and ideological thinking are why emissions keep climbing.

Irony right there.

Everything has its downsides. I don't understand your position on wind and solar as being touted as perfection or a success by a single metric. That's awfully simplistic.

I reiterate that they're not, yet there you go, harping on a vacuous position no one has expressed.

This is enough, a waste of my time.

[shroom]

It’s an improvement,just by one metric. But there are significant downsides when it’s hyped as a panacea.

My general point on wind and solar is their full story is suppressed and ultimately not a real solution. They are inefficient, unreliable and have massive footprints.

The only way out of this is nuclear power. It’s clean, reliable base load power. It has its issues too but it’s the best option.

Every dollar the world waste on virtue signal wind and solar projects is a dollar we could have spent on the real solution, nuclear. Look at Germany, they f’d up so hard by shutting down nukes in favour of wind and solar.


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Germany case wasn’t like an in favor swap IIRC

but the point is we probably need them all, and transparent efficiency up the supply chain to implementation is the worlds problem to solve

in the biggest companies there are often several teams solving the same problem from different contexts intentionally. 2 solutions are better than 0 and all of them take r&d

maybe that’s too thick

[AirheadD8]

I’ve stood in a wind farm among dozens of wind turbines, they’re pretty quiet.


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Just don’t hang around wind farms during ice storms.

So in a few millenniums birds will evolve loosing their ability to fly in order to survive?

Humans are on the way out, we’re obsolete. We are slowly being replaced by machines.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Just don’t hang around wind farms during ice storms.

So in a few millenniums birds will evolve loosing their ability to fly in order to survive?

Humans are on the way out, we’re obsolete. We are slowly being replaced by machines.

Why would birds evolve losing their ability to fly? The birds seem to be do really well, I’ve seen more birds and more variety of birds than I ever have in my 55 years.

That last paragraph is a head scratcher in regards to wind machines Don Quixote


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[Buzzworthy]

Attitudes like yours are why the climate crisis will never be solved.

Fantasy and ideological thinking are why emissions keep climbing.


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Ok troll.

[SumJongGuy]

Just don’t hang around wind farms during ice storms.

LOL We lost all electricity for 10 days during/after a really bad ice storm. You think the wind turbines are loud? How about gas/propane generators? That's LOUD! And, I'll take either over no electricity for ten days.

[old goat]

LOL We lost all electricity for 10 days during/after a really bad ice storm. You think the wind turbines are loud? How about gas/propane generators? That's LOUD! And, I'll take either over no electricity for ten days.

My kid got married up in the woods in Norcal. We stayed in a cabin at the wedding venue boasting of solar and batteries, which it had, except that during the day, when it was expected the occupants would be off doing fun things, the generator was going to charge the batteries.

[xyz]

Reminds me of that dude driving a Tesla with generator tied to the back.


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[AirheadD8]

LOL We lost all electricity for 10 days during/after a really bad ice storm. You think the wind turbines are loud? How about gas/propane generators? That's LOUD! And, I'll take either over no electricity for ten days.

Beware if you live near a wind turbines. Ice sheets can travel 1700’ when they come off.

[AirheadD8]

Why would birds evolve losing their ability to fly? The birds seem to be do really well, I’ve seen more birds and more variety of birds than I ever have in my 55 years.

That last paragraph is a head scratcher in regards to wind machines Don Quixote


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Facetious comment about the ones that fly being killed. Ones that walk surviving.

Last paragraph . I don’t hold out much hope for the human race.

[SumJongGuy]

Beware if you live near a wind turbines. Ice sheets can travel 1700’ when they come off.

I live in a flight path. Blue ice is more of a risk than that.. for you as well..

[raisingarizona13]

The only solution is to knock down about 80% (I'm totally making this percentage up, I have no idea what the number should actually be) of the worlds population and then curtail births from there on out. This current human population is not sustainable, bottom line.

Embrace the next pandemic my friends.

[AirheadD8]

The only solution is to knock down about 80% (I'm totally making this percentage up, I have no idea what the number should actually be) of the worlds population and then curtail births from there on out. This current human population is not sustainable, bottom line.

Embrace the next pandemic my friends.

That’s what Covid was for but government always screws up somehow. Hawaii, New Orleans ….

[SumJongGuy]

Eat the rich..

[Mofro261]

The only solution is to knock down about 80% (I'm totally making this percentage up, I have no idea what the number should actually be) of the worlds population and then curtail births from there on out. This current human population is not sustainable, bottom line.

Embrace the next pandemic my friends.

Most population science predicts peak humanity between 2050-2070, then a fairly rapid decline.

It'd be sooner but... here comes Africa.

Side note- most of the really nasty diseases originate in Africa so they've got that going for them.

But seriously, 40 yrs ago I was hoping nuclear winter might help us out, and I've been dreaming up some good combo of high virulence and high transmission for the last 20 until those assholes shut down gain of function research.

In the meantime, we just need to outlaw all buildings, windows, and cats, as they kill >1000x more birds than wind turbines.

[WMD]

Fantasy and ideological thinking are why emissions keep climbing.

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Continued burning of fossil fuels may have something to do with it too. Lol.

[WMD]

It’s an improvement,just by one metric. But there are significant downsides when it’s hyped as a panacea.

My general point on wind and solar is their full story is suppressed and ultimately not a real solution. They are inefficient, unreliable and have massive footprints.

The only way out of this is nuclear power. It’s clean, reliable base load power. It has its issues too but it’s the best option.

Every dollar the world waste on virtue signal wind and solar projects is a dollar we could have spent on the real solution, nuclear. Look at Germany, they f’d up so hard by shutting down nukes in favour of wind and solar.


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Wow, so much wrong here.

Why is efficiency an important metric for wind turbines? What fuel is being wasted when wind is not converted to electricity? What waste byproduct (pollution) is created when wind isn't converted to electricity?

Efficiency does matter when you are burning fuels for electricity, or using uranium. So efficiency matters for fossil fuel and nuclear plants. Yes, when renewables get more efficient we'll need fewer of them, but there is no cost to "wasted" wind or sun.

Nuclear is expensive and slow to build. In the amount of time and money it takes to build one nuke plant we could build a lot of low cost wind and solar - even batteries. Land footprint of nuclear is actually much larger than just the power plant as there are secure perimeters around a site that are off limits to other uses and there and fuel supply chain land needs too. Nuclear also can't meet our peak power needs as it is difficult to ramp up and down quickly , so it is good for base load put not peaking. Batteries are great for peak power needs.

Wind gets mentioned as using lots of land, and it is true wind farms take up a lot of area. But the unusable land of a wind farm is minuscule, mostly just the tower bases. The rest of the land can still be used for whatever. In the west many fields use circular irrigation, leaving 4 corners unused. Those are ideal places to put wind turbines without affecting anything other than the farmer's pocketbook as lease payments could dramatically increase their incomes.

[up an down]

Wow, so much wrong here.

Why is efficiency an important metric for wind turbines? What fuel is being wasted when wind is not converted to electricity? What waste byproduct (pollution) is created when wind isn't converted to electricity?

Efficiency does matter when you are burning fuels for electricity, or using uranium. So efficiency matters for fossil fuel and nuclear plants. Yes, when renewables get more efficient we'll need fewer of them, but there is no cost to "wasted" wind or sun.

Nuclear is expensive and slow to build. In the amount of time and money it takes to build one nuke plant we could build a lot of low cost wind and solar - even batteries. Land footprint of nuclear is actually much larger than just the power plant as there are secure perimeters around a site that are off limits to other uses and there and fuel supply chain land needs too. Nuclear also can't meet our peak power needs as it is difficult to ramp up and down quickly , so it is good for base load put not peaking. Batteries are great for peak power needs.

Wind gets mentioned as using lots of land, and it is true wind farms take up a lot of area. But the unusable land of a wind farm is minuscule, mostly just the tower bases. The rest of the land can still be used for whatever. In the west many fields use circular irrigation, leaving 4 corners unused. Those are ideal places to put wind turbines without affecting anything other than the farmer's pocketbook as lease payments could dramatically increase their incomes.

Good info.. I used to farm..and many wind farms, and a few solar farms...have been built in Northern Illinois where I live.... Some cons but many more pros to those power sources... And one of my brothers and a close friend have worked at a nuke plant for 30 years.. Good sources of reality about some of the pros and cons of nuke power.. A needed source of power, but there are so many expenses to building and maintaining those plants.. And the mining of uranium and the disposal of radioactive debris is a decades long shit show...

[The AD]

And the mining of uranium and the disposal of radioactive debris is a decades long shit show...

This. Not to say nuclear power isn't part of the solution, but we really need to increase reliance on power sources that are non-extractive, too.

[old goat]

Wow, so much wrong here.

Why is efficiency an important metric for wind turbines? What fuel is being wasted when wind is not converted to electricity? What waste byproduct (pollution) is created when wind isn't converted to electricity?

Efficiency does matter when you are burning fuels for electricity, or using uranium. So efficiency matters for fossil fuel and nuclear plants. Yes, when renewables get more efficient we'll need fewer of them, but there is no cost to "wasted" wind or sun.

Nuclear is expensive and slow to build. In the amount of time and money it takes to build one nuke plant we could build a lot of low cost wind and solar - even batteries. Land footprint of nuclear is actually much larger than just the power plant as there are secure perimeters around a site that are off limits to other uses and there and fuel supply chain land needs too. Nuclear also can't meet our peak power needs as it is difficult to ramp up and down quickly , so it is good for base load put not peaking. Batteries are great for peak power needs.

Wind gets mentioned as using lots of land, and it is true wind farms take up a lot of area. But the unusable land of a wind farm is minuscule, mostly just the tower bases. The rest of the land can still be used for whatever. In the west many fields use circular irrigation, leaving 4 corners unused. Those are ideal places to put wind turbines without affecting anything other than the farmer's pocketbook as lease payments could dramatically increase their incomes.

You are wrong. If wind power isn't efficient we will have to build so many turbines that eventually we will stop the wind. Since wind is what makes weather, that will stop the weather. And then we will really be fucked.