Climate Change

[old goat]

Won't they get eaten by the alligators?

[The SnowShow]

Won't they get eaten by the alligators?

Yes, along with the people swallowed up by waterfalls in the subway system.

[neufox47]

Well, it looks like NYC is getting a taste of being underwater. Brooklyn is a river. Hoboken is a river. Subways are a disgusting mess.

Subway is now as clean as its been since Sandy.

[PB]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/19/us/al...ate/index.html

Just another nail in the ......

[skaredshtles]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/19/us/al...ate/index.html

Just another nail in the ......

wElL ThEy sHoUlD HaVe aDpAtEd! sUrViVaL Of tHe fItTeSt, AmIrItE??

[The AD]

Crabs need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

[GrantN]

If you are like me & looking for some direction this helped me a bit in that regard
An important listen IMHO. Easy enough on my skibum brain FWIW. YMMV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnEXEIp5vB8

Lots more Bill Rees available on youtube

Good reads in no particular order:

- The loss of happiness in market democracies by Robert Lane
- The limits to growth(~1972)
- Killing the host-Michael Hudson
- The spirit level- Richard Wilkinson & Kate pilcket
- The pitchforks are coming-written by a millionaire
- The spirit level- Richard Wilkinson & Kate pickett
- Lewis Powell-memerandum (~1971)
- Commanding Hope by Thomas Homer-Dixon


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[xyz]

Serious question, from a purely utilitarian and sustainable environmental impact pov, why do people need to move around their state or the country?

Travel needs to be painful to the point that most people regardless of ideology or means start clamoring for better transit like a renewed passenger rail system. We used to be able to travel all over this country by rail. This is all a pipe dream of course because we can’t help being selfish and self indulgent.


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Why should we stop travelling more when the loudest people telling us to do so have the biggest carbon footprint? I’ll travel less when bill gates and dicaprio take the bus.


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[The AD]

I don't know if climate change had anything to do with it, but I just read that Hurricane Otis went from a tropical storm to a category 5 hurricane in 12 hours. That's nuts. Acapulco is getting battered. 165 mph sustained winds. Wow.

[skaredshtles]

I don't know if climate change had anything to do with it, but I just read that Hurricane Otis went from a tropical storm to a category 5 hurricane in 12 hours. That's nuts. Acapulco is getting battered. 165 mph sustained winds. Wow.

Oh, you can be assured that climate change had something to do with it...

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Why should we stop travelling more when the loudest people telling us to do so have the biggest carbon footprint? I’ll travel less when bill gates and dicaprio take the bus.


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Interesting, so you’re petty and spiteful. I don’t listen to celebrities or captains of industry when making my decisions btw, I use my conscience


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[subtle plague]

Oh, you can be assured that climate change had something to do with it...

1.5 degrees( communist Celsius) more is quite the fuel for storms.
( I chose friday because hurricane tend to well up colder water after them)

[xyz]

Oh, you can be assured that climate change had something to do with it...

If it’s a bad event it’s climate change. If it’s not, it’s just weather.


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[skaredshtles]

If it’s a bad event it’s climate change. If it’s not, it’s just weather.

[PB]

Although ...... too much good weather is a bad event too.

[subtle plague]

If it’s a bad event it’s climate change. If it’s not, it’s just weather.


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Since we like average weather as humans to decide where to live and more extreme Events are more likely due to climate change ( well except prolonged cold spells..hooray) you're right. Any deviation from average is bad. Drought, heat waves, extreme precip. So yes. Bad weather is more likely im climate change conditions.

[old goat]

On Nova they were explaining that in the Carboniferous Period when things were really flat and really wet a large of big trees were falling into bogs when they died, and were preserved in the low 02 environment, instead of breaking down and releasing their CO2 to be absorbed by new trees. These trees sequestered so much carbon that CO2 levels in the atmosphere fell, causing an Ice Age that covered almost all the planet. So a little greenhouse effect is a good thing. All things in moderation.

[xyz]

Since we like average weather as humans to decide where to live and more extreme Events are more likely due to climate change ( well except prolonged cold spells..hooray) you're right. Any deviation from average is bad. Drought, heat waves, extreme precip. So yes. Bad weather is more likely im climate change conditions.

Why is a changing climate always a bad thing? There is likely upside to a warming climate. Think of all the farmable land that will open up in Canada.


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[uglymoney]

Why is a changing climate always a bad thing? There is likely upside to a warming climate. Think of all the farmable land that will open up in Canada.


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The soil is like an inch think up there, where they have any at all. That is why it dries out so fast and everything burns when it doesn't rain.

We had a record drought here in my home county and yields are still 130 to 190 bushels an acre vs a ten year average of 195, 219 last year. Most grass stayed green. Almost no fires. Because our soil is so good and continued to provide moisture to deep roots. A breadbasket for a reason.

You gonna truck all of our soil up to Ontario once it is too hot and dry to grow here? No.

Try again.



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[BCMtnHound]

Ontario may be big, but there’s more to Canada than just the shield. The prairies would love the climate of South Dakota.

But as a whole, the cost will outweigh the benefits. Last thing we need is more US refugees in our healthcare system.

[old goat]

Climate change would not be a problem if we were still nomads. And even being mostly city folk we could probably adapt if change happened over millenia instead of decades. While there have been climate extremes far more dramatic than what we are facing in the next few generations they unfolded over much longer periods of time, and when they didn't--well ask a dinosaur how that worked out if you can find one.

[uglymoney]

Ontario may be big, but there’s more to Canada than just the shield. The prairies would love the climate of South Dakota.

But as a whole, the cost will outweigh the benefits. Last thing we need is more US refugees in our healthcare system.

It rains in Ontario though. And Iowa. We don't even irrigate 99% of cropland here. Exceptions are sand veins here and there, like in Muscatine where they grow melons.

The Dakotas and plains of Canada are in the shadow of the rockies. Definitely can be productive but not on the same level. Add some heat and that land becomes arid pretty fast, and water to irrigate coming off the rockies becomes ever more unreliable, not to mention already depleted aquifers.

Just saying, you can't just move everything north. It is delusional at best.

[uglymoney]

Further illustration of my point here. Fascinating stuff.

This article talks about the shifting of the 100th meridian dividing line east, due to climate change. Now more like the 98th meridian. Sustained drought keeps creeping our way.

https://www.earthmagazine.org/articl...ent%20research.

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[Garfield3d]

Why is a changing climate always a bad thing? There is likely upside to a warming climate. Think of all the farmable land that will open up in Canada.


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Why is climate change bad? Uh, because it will displace/kill tens of millions of people. Farmable land in Canada is such a minor 'silver lining' detail in comparison to that. Trying to make the argument that "climate change must be universally bad in every measurable category in every situation to actually be considered bad" is such a ridiculous position that I think I've stumbled onto a satire post.

[xyz]

Why is climate change bad? Uh, because it will displace/kill tens of millions of people. Farmable land in Canada is such a minor 'silver lining' detail in comparison to that. Trying to make the argument that "climate change must be universally bad in every measurable category in every situation to actually be considered bad" is such a ridiculous position that I think I've stumbled onto a satire post.

Not just about more farmland. But also less deaths due to cold. Cold deaths exceed heat deaths atm.


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