Climate Change

[skaredshtles]

Finally a weather patriot telling some truth-telling facts!

What about Africa having some sort of machine that creates hurricanes that *always* get pointed to the states. Who's behind that? Just asking questions here. What bugs me is all the big fans off-shore near Boston protecting the rich and blowing these massive storms up to Nova Scotia. These fans double are actually wind farms - but I bet, just a hunch here guys, they have motors in them deep below the sea and turn on to protect the coastal elite. Anyone see pics of them spinning during a hurricane?? Exactly. very suspicious IMO.

[Core Shot]

Finally a weather patriot telling some truth-telling facts!

What about Africa having some sort of machine that creates hurricanes that *always* get pointed to the states. Who's behind that? Just asking questions here. What bugs me is all the big fans off-shore near Boston protecting the rich and blowing these massive storms up to Nova Scotia. These fans double are actually wind farms - but I bet, just a hunch here guys, they have motors in them deep below the sea and turn on to protect the coastal elite. Anyone see pics of them spinning during a hurricane?? Exactly. very suspicious IMO.

Nothing I said in that post was untrue. All facts. Read the news or history sometime.

If you wanna speculate about ionospheric heaters and resilient high pressure heat domes that’s harder to prove. Same with changing the jet stream. But there are patents on each. I’m sure our benevolent overlords are only patenting theoretical shit and never using it.

[AK47bp]

Idiot #1 quotes idiot #2.

Idiot #1 claims everything is a fact that idiot #2 said/wrote.

While idiot #1 is technically correct that idiot #2 said / wrote those things, who is checking that idiot #2 was correct?

Idiot #3.

The cycle of idiocracy folks.


Carry on

[LongShortLong]

RR got to hang on to the mineral rights, so they got to drill for oil or mine. A pretty controversial topic at the time that those lands came intact with the mineral rights to begin with.
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See: The Pacific Railroad Act of 1862, in which around 130 million acres were awarded to the rail companies.
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Back then, they got it done for around 60 million (equivalent of about 1.2 billion today). The CA HSR ALONE is estimated to be around 88-128 billion. So like 100x the cost of the transcontinental railroad system that covered the entire goddam country, and yeah, that's taking inflation into account. How can we overcome that? I honestly don't know.

Pretty sure you have an accounting error here, documented in your own post. If CAHSR was granted 130 million acres of land and mineral rights bordering its tracks, they could build the RR for not much additional expense.

You still wouldn't convince me the HSR is a worthy project. It's a colossal waste of money and will require massive subsidies to operate if they complete it. Probably also an environmental disaster - I have a hard time believing it'll ever be more carbon efficient than a flight or Zoom call or a Honda Civic driving on I-5. It's a vanity greenwash project for my fellow voters.

Voters may have good hearts (questionable), but they are terrible at math.

[bodywhomper]

I have not thought closely about the California HSR project in a long time.

There needs to be alternative ways for people to move around the state/country besides cars, buses, automobile, and air. Electric powered rail seems like a good solution.

[old goat]

Pretty sure you have an accounting error here, documented in your own post. If CAHSR was granted 130 million acres of land and mineral rights bordering its tracks, they could build the RR for not much additional expense.

You still wouldn't convince me the HSR is a worthy project. It's a colossal waste of money and will require massive subsidies to operate if they complete it. Probably also an environmental disaster - I have a hard time believing it'll ever be more carbon efficient than a flight or Zoom call or a Honda Civic driving on I-5. It's a vanity greenwash project for my fellow voters.

Voters may have good hearts (questionable), but they are terrible at math.

HSR is clearly less efficient than a zoom call.
Other than that, rail transport is clearly more energy efficient than cars and planes, but only of course if the train is reasonably full. The question is whether there would ever be enough utilization of rail to pull significant cars off the road and significant planes out of the sky.

[Bunion 2020]

The question is whether there would ever be enough utilization of rail to pull significant cars off the road and significant planes out of the sky.

If I could easily and at a reasonable price pull my ride onto a train, kick back in a nice Pullman style car and relax while the train cranked out 1000-1500 miles or more, I would like that. But the Eisenhower Administration and the Auto Industry built all these nice roads that we have barely paid off.

[Core Shot]

Auto trains would be awesome. Have your car and luggage driven onto a train and get a sleeper car?
Boston NYC Cleveland chicago Denver slc Reno San fran

That would nice.

[old goat]

If I could easily and at a reasonable price pull my ride onto a train, kick back in a nice Pullman style car and relax while the train cranked out 1000-1500 miles or more, I would like that. But the Eisenhower Administration and the Auto Industry built all these nice roads that we have barely paid off.

Fortunately, as our cities are swept away by floods and hurricanes or burn up in firestorms we'll be able to start all over and do it right.

[petey_]

we'll be able to start all over and do it right.

This used to be real estate
Now it's only fields and trees
Where, where is the town
Now, it's nothing but flowers
The highways and cars
Were sacrificed for agriculture
I thought that we'd start over

David Byrne the optimist?

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I have not thought closely about the California HSR project in a long time.

There needs to be alternative ways for people to move around the state/country besides cars, buses, automobile, and air. Electric powered rail seems like a good solution.

Serious question, from a purely utilitarian and sustainable environmental impact pov, why do people need to move around their state or the country?

Travel needs to be painful to the point that most people regardless of ideology or means start clamoring for better transit like a renewed passenger rail system. We used to be able to travel all over this country by rail. This is all a pipe dream of course because we can’t help being selfish and self indulgent.


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[Supermoon]

Serious question, from a purely utilitarian and sustainable environmental impact pov, why do people need to move around their state or the country?

Travel needs to be painful to the point that most people regardless of ideology or means start clamoring for better transit like a renewed passenger rail system. We used to be able to travel all over this country by rail. This is all a pipe dream of course because we can’t help being selfish and self indulgent.


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I think mostly because the pain to benefit ratio is so low. The vast majority of emissions are from industry and the super wealthy. Keeping normal people from traveling around won’t solve the problem, but will alienate a large percentage of the population away from climate solutions.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I think mostly because the pain to benefit ratio is so low. The vast majority of emissions are from industry and the super wealthy. Keeping normal people from traveling around won’t solve the problem, but will alienate a large percentage of the population away from climate solutions.

This is exactly the cop out that will keep it from happening. Of course everyone needs to do better but that’s not an excuse to not do something beneficial for the planet.


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[Supermoon]

This is exactly the cop out that will keep it from happening. Of course everyone needs to do better but that’s not an excuse to not do something beneficial for the planet.


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It’s not a cop out. It’s a fact. The idea of individual responsibility for climate change was brought about by the oil companies.

We need an entire overhaul of the whole economy. No half measures are going to do anything.

[altacoup]

^^^^

Truth! And can only be achieved at a governmental level because the business mentality is too focused on short term gains. The IRA has been a massive help. We really need a Democratic majority in all chambers to really get is going on the right foot. However the Green Party will roll out Coronel West and get a decent amount of votes, that are bc essentially anti green in their effect. If America leads, the rest will follow.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

It’s not a cop out. It’s a fact. The idea of individual responsibility for climate change was brought about by the oil companies.

We need an entire overhaul of the whole economy. No half measures are going to do anything.

A rail system isn’t exactly individual responsibility. I get it, we need to blame industry and have them change before we do anything else. A change to focus on transportation of people and goods to rail and get cars and trucks off the roads isn’t really a half measure IMO.


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[Supermoon]

A rail system isn’t exactly individual responsibility. I get it, we need to blame industry and have them change before we do anything else. A change to focus on transportation of people and goods to rail and get cars and trucks off the roads isn’t really a half measure IMO.


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I agree about transportation. Greening up mass transit, autos, and travel is a big endeavor with big upside. I was reacting more to the telling people they can’t travel part of it.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I agree about transportation. Greening up mass transit, autos, and travel is a big endeavor with big upside. I was reacting more to the telling people they can’t travel part of it.

I never said to ban travel, I said to make it more painful (costly).It should be more costly, it’s incredibly self indulgent. It’s not just about our individual trips, it’s the collective damage done to the planet and society. It’s too easy for even people of modest means to travel around the country and planet. No one wants to see you in their town/state/country, they just want your money.


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[bodywhomper]

I disagree. Enrichment of life and society through sharing of cultures, art, etc. and human interactions is important.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I disagree. Enrichment of life and society through sharing of cultures, art, etc. and human interactions is important.

That’s definitely not possible without traveling

Try this https://www.newyorker.com/culture/th...against-travel
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[twann74]

I never said to ban travel, I said to make it more painful (costly).It should be more costly, it’s incredibly self indulgent. It’s not just about our individual trips, it’s the collective damage done to the planet and society. It’s too easy for even people of modest means to travel around the country and planet. No one wants to see you in their town/state/country, they just want your money.


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Completely agree. In Europe we have a pretty good railway network, but a lot of people keep flying because it's so cheap compared to the train most of the time... It doesn't make any sense that we pay more tax to put 1 gallon of petrol in our car than 1 gallon of kerosene in a plane. I'm convinced if we start to account for the "real" cost of flying people will book less flights and more train tickets. Of course, you have to have a good rail network to do this first. Let's hope the US will get better on that matter, maybe one day ?

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Americans won’t change, the majority of us think we’re exceptional. It’s odd because I’ve met very few exceptional people in my 55 years. I’m not one of them.


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[skaredshtles]

<snip> you have to have a good rail network to do this first. Let's hope the US will get better on that matter, maybe one day ?

[The SnowShow]

Well, it looks like NYC is getting a taste of being underwater. Brooklyn is a river. Hoboken is a river. Subways are a disgusting mess.

[SumJongGuy]

Well, it looks like NYC is getting a taste of being underwater. Brooklyn is a river. Hoboken is a river. Subways are a disgusting mess.

Relax, rats are good swimmers. They'll be fine..