Climate Change

[Summer]

Bureau of Meteorology confirms Australia's warmest winter on record

[Core Shot]

Crikey!

3C is nuts

[neufox47]

August of 23 was .69 degrees C above the 1991-2020 average. The hottest August by far and one of the hottest months ever. The linear average trend is .14 C per decade globally and .19 C per decade over land. At current rates we will be 1.5C hotter over land by 2100. But warming is unlikely to be linear and will probably be exponentially increasing.


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[SumJongGuy]

They tried to ban nonlinear/exponential math for sea level forecasts here in Kakalki a few years go. Probably getting that passed in Florida as we speak though..

[AK47bp]

Bless your heart Cleveland.

Skip to 2:40 for peak stupidity.



https://youtu.be/n0CT8zrw6lw?si=N2eGKl0IusNk8ktz

[WMD]

August of 23 was .69 degrees C above the 1991-2020 average. The hottest August by far and one of the hottest months ever. The linear average trend is .14 C per decade globally and .19 C per decade over land. At current rates we will be 1.5C hotter over land by 2100. But warming is unlikely to be linear and will probably be exponentially increasing.

According to Carbon Brief:
https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis...lobal-warming/

Our analysis shows that:

• The world will likely exceed 1.5C between 2026 and 2042 in scenarios where emissions are not rapidly reduced, with a central estimate of between 2030 and 2032.
• The 2C threshold will likely be exceeded between 2034 and 2052 in the highest emissions scenario, with a median year of 2043.
• In a scenario of modest mitigation – where emissions remain close to current levels – the 2C threshold would be exceeded between 2038 and 2072, with a median of 2052.

Permanently surpassing 1.5C between 2030 and 2032 -- that isn't very far away. . .

[DoYou WannaDance]

https://www.opb.org/article/2023/09/...ary-of-energy/

I hope all future TGR ski bum road trips utilize EVs only and no climate destroying combustion engines. Would definitely make some of the trip reports entertaining to see people heading to really remote places in the freezing cold driving through feet of snow in EVs.

[Shredhead]

Cleveland’s got nothing on Cincinnati.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGFt...lzIGZseQ%3D%3D

[SumJongGuy]

https://www.opb.org/article/2023/09/...ary-of-energy/

I hope all future TGR ski bum road trips utilize EVs only and no climate destroying combustion engines. Would definitely make some of the trip reports entertaining to see people heading to really remote places in the freezing cold driving through feet of snow in EVs.

Electric Heli Skiing FTW?? Imagine a follow me drone big enough to carry the pilot back up to the top of the mountain lapping all day..

[MontuckyFried]

For some people there is simply never enough. Never enough money. Never enough power.

Imagine owning yachts you never use, houses you never visit, planes you rarely fly. The consumption required to maintain these things is insane.

There's a place in-between being part of the planet and raping the planet where the rest of us should find happiness, but the push for consumerism at the highest level will never allow people to settle into that place. How many TV's dies a family need? How many vehicles? How many ski's, bikes, etc...?

It took me until my mid 40's to find peace in downsizing. It's a work in progress.

After seeing some of the famous peoples' (very empty) homes in person up in the Yellowstone Club, it's REALLY made it tough for me to take them seriously when I hear them publicly profess their concern for the environment. Looking at YOU, Oprah!!!

I've seen their homes, with snowless driveways and monster mountaintop homes heated by burning through thousands of gallons of propane each month, these gigantic, gorgeous homes that sit mostly empty, and how they fly in on their private jets, then shuttled from the airstrip to their homes in giant SUVs. And THEN watch as they run their mouths at awards ceremonies about how us peons need to do better. Even if their messages are correct, it's still grating coming from these particular folks. They're earth-rapists telling us WE'RE the ones destroying the planet.

[::: :::]

After seeing some of the famous peoples' (very empty) homes in person up in the Yellowstone Club, it's REALLY made it tough for me to take them seriously when I hear them publicly profess their concern for the environment. Looking at YOU, Oprah!!!

I've seen their homes, with snowless driveways and monster mountaintop homes heated by burning through thousands of gallons of propane each month, these gigantic, gorgeous homes that sit mostly empty, and how they fly in on their private jets, then shuttled from the airstrip to their homes in giant SUVs. And THEN watch as they run their mouths at awards ceremonies about how us peons need to do better. Even if their messages are correct, it's still grating coming from these particular folks. They're earth-rapists telling us WE'RE the ones destroying the planet.

is self-awareness not worth something? [serious question] [not directed at you specifically...i would have quoted snowmachine's quote too for ref]

I get the emotional response to the disparate conditions & the presumptive do-as-i-say, but we need to promote the notion of saving energy & low carbon goals. Construction & buildings are def a significant part of the energy/carbon problem...hell, I drive a 3/4 ton crew cab. But until we get agreement to guide the nation in the right direction, we need as many people agreeing on goals/direction first, then implementation will follow. Castigating minor violations in search of perfection is a side show.

I'm at a point where I give a lot of rope to people who at least bother to encourage the right thing (without a weaponized undermining of that message: like Sacklers pretending at health promotion while intentionally hooking as many as possible on opioids). To me, the vestiges of wealth aren't really a weaponized fuckyou as much as the businesses creating wealth in Machiavellian ways on the back of natural resources/energy consumption/toxin disposal/human health/etc

[MontuckyFried]

is self-awareness not worth something? [serious question] [not directed at you specifically...i would have quoted snowmachine's quote too for ref]

I get the emotional response to the disparate conditions & the presumptive do-as-i-say, but we need to promote the notion of saving energy & low carbon goals. Construction & buildings are def a significant part of the energy/carbon problem...hell, I drive a 3/4 ton crew cab. But until we get agreement to guide the nation in the right direction, we need as many people agreeing on goals/direction first, then implementation will follow. Castigating minor violations in search of perfection is a side show.

I'm at a point where I give a lot of rope to people who at least bother to encourage the right thing (without a weaponized undermining of that message: like Sacklers pretending at health promotion while intentionally hooking as many as possible on opioids). To me, the vestiges of wealth aren't really a weaponized fuckyou as much as the businesses creating wealth in Machiavellian ways on the back of natural resources/energy consumption/toxin disposal/human health/etc

I see what you're saying. I should've followed up my post with the people who I DO listen to. I guess my point was that sometimes the messengers suck. I wish total eco-hypocrites would STFU, and instead people who know how to REALLY do better would get more of an audience. I get that they won't because they're not celebrities and all, but that's the problem. Only the biggest hypocrites get the microphone while the true environmentalists out there mostly go unheard.

One of the biggest factors that's actually convinced me to be more environmentally mindful has been meeting people over the years who have done impressive work in their own lives to reduce their impacts to truly amazing levels. Actually spent some time last week with a really interesting guy up in the mountains who lives off-grid. No power/phone service to his spread. An outspoken Democrat and wildlife conservationist (and hunter who only bow hunts with an old school recurve) who walks the walk better than just about anybody I've ever met. I found him to be truly an inspiring character. I've met countless other really interesting people over the years who are also into very organic, natural ways from how they source their foods, to how they run their homes, to how they clean their clothes, and more. And by hanging out with them and learning more, even "ee-vil" old conservative me is into locally sourced foods, sustainable/regenerative farming practices (slaughtering a cow this week in fact!), and big into "green" energy.

I liken these celebs to a child-rapey priest telling you all about how much of a sinner everybody is, versus a humble servant working in a poor African village spreading a message of love and joy. One of those two inspires others to be receptive to their message, the other does not. Also, only one of those grabs the headlines too. Haha.

[Bunion 2020]

Why do you hate capitalism?

For every Oprah at the YC there is at least 1 member who walks the

I got mine fuck the rest or you proles

walk.

[MontuckyFried]

Why do you hate capitalism?

For every Oprah at the YC there is at least 1 member who walks the walk.

LMAO! You get it.

[::: :::]

I see what you're saying. I should've followed up my post with the people who I DO listen to. I guess my point was that sometimes the messengers suck. I wish total eco-hypocrites would STFU, and instead people who know how to REALLY do better would get more of an audience. I get that they won't because they're not celebrities and all, but that's the problem. Only the biggest hypocrites get the microphone while the true environmentalists out there mostly go unheard.

One of the biggest factors that's actually convinced me to be more environmentally mindful has been meeting people over the years who have done impressive work in their own lives to reduce their impacts to truly amazing levels. Actually spent some time last week with a really interesting guy up in the mountains who lives off-grid. No power/phone service to his spread. An outspoken Democrat and wildlife conservationist (and hunter who only bow hunts with an old school recurve) who walks the walk better than just about anybody I've ever met. I found him to be truly an inspiring character. I've met countless other really interesting people over the years who are also into very organic, natural ways from how they source their foods, to how they run their homes, to how they clean their clothes, and more. And by hanging out with them and learning more, even "ee-vil" old conservative me is into locally sourced foods, sustainable/regenerative farming practices (slaughtering a cow this week in fact!), and big into "green" energy.

I liken these celebs to a child-rapey priest telling you all about how much of a sinner everybody is, versus a humble servant working in a poor African village spreading a message of love and joy. One of those two inspires others to be receptive to their message, the other does not. Also, only one of those grabs the headlines too. Haha.

What is it about Oprah that sucks like a child rapist/priest? Her wealth? I'd suggest Oprah has largely promoted humanitarian vibes through her media empire & given your reply above, maybe you'd agree that maybe she's not really the problem despite her celebrity or her large properties.

Poor humble servants are not the only viable conduit to change. Further they may not be public enough to distribute the message.

I'm not defending the wealthy so much as the viability of promoting the message in as many ways as possible

[oldnew_guy]

The people buying off politicians so they can continue business as usual want you to be concerned about your and others carbon footprint on the micro level:

"
Another heralded environmental advertising campaign, launched three decades later in 2000, also won a laudatory advertising award(opens in a new tab), a “Gold Effie.” The campaign impressed upon the American public that a different type of pollution, heat-trapping carbon pollution(opens in a new tab), is also your problem, not the problem of companies drilling deep into the Earth for, and then selling, carbonaceous fuels refined from ancient, decomposed creatures. British Petroleum, the second largest non-state owned oil company in the world, with 18,700 gas and service stations worldwide(opens in a new tab), hired the public relations professionals Ogilvy & Mather to promote the slant that climate change is not the fault of an oil giant, but that of individuals.
It’s here that British Petroleum, or BP, first promoted and soon successfully popularized the term “carbon footprint" in the early aughts. The company unveiled its “carbon footprint calculator” in 2004 so one could assess how their normal daily life — going to work, buying food, and (gasp) traveling — is largely responsible for heating the globe.

A decade and a half later, “carbon footprint” is everywhere. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has a carbon calculator(opens in a new tab). The New York Times has a guide on “How to Reduce Your Carbon Footprint.”(opens in a new tab) Mashable published a story in 2019 entitled “How to shrink your carbon footprint when you travel.”(opens in a new tab) Outdoorsy brands love the term(opens in a new tab).



“This is one of the most successful, deceptive PR campaigns maybe ever,” said Benjamin Franta, who researches law and history of science as a J.D.-Ph.D. student at Stanford Law School. ""

https://mashable.com/feature/carbon-footprint-pr-campaign-sham




The rivers and air got cleaned up when the government passed the Clean Air and Water Acts, not when some people in the suburbs changed their consumption habits.

[old goat]

Driving around Germany for the last couple of weeks, enlarging my carbon footprint, I’m struck by the number of wind turbines, rooftop solar, and solar farms. (I know they still use plenty of petroleum, NG and coal.). Very few e cars.

[skaredshtles]

Driving around Germany for the last couple of weeks, enlarging my carbon footprint, I’m struck by the number of wind turbines, rooftop solar, and solar farms.

That's what I noticed when traveling from Munich <-> Berchtesgaden earlier this summer.

Although I was on the train, 'cause I don't hate the environment.

[MontuckyFried]

What is it about Oprah that sucks like a child rapist/priest? Her wealth?

I'm picking on her specifically because she owns, or at least owned, a sweet pad up in the YC. Now to the public, she owns around 8 mansions around the country, but she definitely has a ton more. Like many celebs, likely in various LLCs and what not. Another famous celeb up there won an Environment Media Award and has been pretty outspoken about climate change and pollution. Pollution, huh? Just talk to Bunion about the Yellowstone Club's effects on the watershed in the area like the effluent issues. He can expand on that topic in great detail.

Oprah has said that the environment is THE most important thing evar to her. Well, that sounds cool and all except that in REAL life, she's raping the earth, way WAY more in a single day than you and I will ever do in a lifetime of driving our cars. THAT'S how she (and the other outspoken celebs up at the YC, Telluride, Aspen, Tahoe, and every other rich mountain town) are the equivalent of a kid-diddling priest wagging their fingers to us about out sin. Said rich celebrities are a bunch of earth-diddlers.

[::: :::]

The people buying off politicians so they can continue business as usual want you to be concerned about your and others carbon footprint on the micro level:

"
Another heralded environmental advertising campaign, launched three decades later in 2000, also won a laudatory advertising award(opens in a new tab), a “Gold Effie.” The campaign impressed upon the American public that a different type of pollution, heat-trapping carbon pollution(opens in a new tab), is also your problem, not the problem of companies drilling deep into the Earth for, and then selling, carbonaceous fuels refined from ancient, decomposed creatures. British Petroleum, the second largest non-state owned oil company in the world, with 18,700 gas and service stations worldwide(opens in a new tab), hired the public relations professionals Ogilvy & Mather to promote the slant that climate change is not the fault of an oil giant, but that of individuals.
It’s here that British Petroleum, or BP, first promoted and soon successfully popularized the term “carbon footprint" in the early aughts. The company unveiled its “carbon footprint calculator” in 2004 so one could assess how their normal daily life — going to work, buying food, and (gasp) traveling — is largely responsible for heating the globe.

A decade and a half later, “carbon footprint” is everywhere. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has a carbon calculator(opens in a new tab). The New York Times has a guide on “How to Reduce Your Carbon Footprint.”(opens in a new tab) Mashable published a story in 2019 entitled “How to shrink your carbon footprint when you travel.”(opens in a new tab) Outdoorsy brands love the term(opens in a new tab).



“This is one of the most successful, deceptive PR campaigns maybe ever,” said Benjamin Franta, who researches law and history of science as a J.D.-Ph.D. student at Stanford Law School. ""

https://mashable.com/feature/carbon-footprint-pr-campaign-sham




The rivers and air got cleaned up when the government passed the Clean Air and Water Acts, not when some people in the suburbs changed their consumption habits.

That's a quality point: forest for the trees on the scales of impact involved [country of USA, are you self-aware?]

(and doesn't discount the notion that now "carbon footprint" is a somewhat generically understood term, even if americans haven't really taken it to heart as a country (vs say Germany who really has)

[ex-powderbroker]

https://www.opb.org/article/2023/09/...ary-of-energy/

I hope all future TGR ski bum road trips utilize EVs only and no climate destroying combustion engines. Would definitely make some of the trip reports entertaining to see people heading to really remote places in the freezing cold driving through feet of snow in EVs.

Electric vehicles can also be part of the problem even as they improve the emissions of ICEs. To alleviate the effects of climate change it will take a major shift far beyond what maggots drive to the hill. I think most people acknowledge this?

[::: :::]

I'm picking on her specifically because she owns, or at least owned, a sweet pad up in the YC. Now to the public, she owns around 8 mansions around the country, but she definitely has a ton more. Like many celebs, likely in various LLCs and what not. Another famous celeb up there won an Environment Media Award and has been pretty outspoken about climate change and pollution. Pollution, huh? Just talk to Bunion about the Yellowstone Club's effects on the watershed in the area like the effluent issues. He can expand on that topic in great detail.

Oprah has said that the environment is THE most important thing evar to her. Well, that sounds cool and all except that in REAL life, she's raping the earth, way WAY more in a single day than you and I will ever do in a lifetime of driving our cars. THAT'S how she (and the other outspoken celebs up at the YC, Telluride, Aspen, Tahoe, and every other rich mountain town) are the equivalent of a kid-diddling priest wagging their fingers to us about out sin. Said rich celebrities are a bunch of earth-diddlers.

i guess i'd like to challenge you to support the raping the earth/kid-diddling part of your assessment, maybe in light of oldnew_guy's post on scale of impact vs greenwashing

[skaredshtles]

Electric vehicles can also be part of the problem even as they improve the emissions of ICEs. To alleviate the effects of climate change it will take a major shift far beyond what maggots drive to the hill. I think most people acknowledge this?

We should start building a proper passenger rail network now. It'll be about 75 years late, but we're going to end up there *anyways* so let's get crackin'...

[MontuckyFried]

We should start building a proper passenger rail network now. It'll be about 75 years late, but we're going to end up there *anyways* so let's get crackin'...

What utterly sucks is that we USED to. Like in the 1800s/early 1900s. Every small town, even in the middle of nowhere, had a rail stop. I don't even know how it's possible, but there was even a Northern Pacific train station in that ghost town of Elkhorn, MT I just visited. There were stations all over the Rockies back in the day.

[skaredshtles]

What utterly sucks is that we USED to. Like in the 1800s/early 1900s. Every small town, even in the middle of nowhere, had a rail stop. I don't even know how it's possible, but there was even a Northern Pacific train station in that ghost town of Elkhorn, MT I just visited. There were stations all over the Rockies back in the day.

This is what kills me about the "it can't work here" crowd. Fuck off, it *can* work here, we just need to make it happen.