Climate Change

[old goat]

I don’t really think that’s true. We probably won’t notice the reforestation but the trees will grow. Everywhere that I’ve gone into that’s had very hot fires, everything burned to bare soil, has new trees growing after a few years.


Sent from my iPhone using TGR Forums

Up your way sure. But the desert and the chaparral are moving north and uphill in California. Donner ridge burned in 1959 I believe. South facing slope that's still bare and eroded. I see the same thing in other burns around here. Plus, the bark beetle kills are increasing exponentially.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I live on the east slopes. It’s dry. Desertification is real but if the trees are growing and healthy when the fire comes through they’ll come back, it just takes a little longer. Now if they’re already dying or unhealthy from drought and disease then they’re going to die anyway regardless of fire.


Sent from my iPhone using TGR Forums

[bodywhomper]

My understanding is that forest regrowth in the western US after high severity fire (ie complete tree mortality in large areas) is dependent on the dominant species.

There is some banter about it here: https://twitter.com/ucsierraforest/s...Rg1GMw_P8KJYYA

[MagnificentUnicorn]

We’ve had a few catastrophic wildfires here in central WA. Things that were a moonscape a few years back seem to have the usual progression of recovery species. Depending on the locale, new growth of shrubs is first apparent and then a couple years later trees start to appear. Mixed growth too, white bark mixed with larch, cedar and hemlock, aspen, lodge pole and pondos growing together.

I think we’re impatient and can’t get away from a human time scale


Sent from my iPhone using TGR Forums

[PB]

Isn't there anything we can do with CO2 besides store it under ground? Seriously, not talking about carbonated drinks here. I mean it's carbon and oxygen - two seemingly usable materials.

[xyz]

Isn't there anything we can do with CO2 besides store it under ground? Seriously, not talking about carbonated drinks here. I mean it's carbon and oxygen - two seemingly usable materials.

Regenerative farming will soak it up. But it’s too simple and effective to be adopted to a meaningful scale.

[neufox47]

Isn't there anything we can do with CO2 besides store it under ground? Seriously, not talking about carbonated drinks here. I mean it's carbon and oxygen - two seemingly usable materials.

This. Would be ideal if we could turn it into an inert building material, etc.

[k2skier112]

https://www.conserve-energy-future.com/carbon-sinks.php

Grasslands
Agricultural Lands
Northern, boreal forests
Tropical Rainforests
Peat Bogs
Freshwater lakes and wetlands
Coastal ecosystems such as seagrass beds, kelp forests, salt marshes and swamps
Coral reefs

[old goat]

We’ve had a few catastrophic wildfires here in central WA. Things that were a moonscape a few years back seem to have the usual progression of recovery species. Depending on the locale, new growth of shrubs is first apparent and then a couple years later trees start to appear. Mixed growth too, white bark mixed with larch, cedar and hemlock, aspen, lodge pole and pondos growing together.

I think we’re impatient and can’t get away from a human time scale


Sent from my iPhone using TGR Forums

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/fore...ires-1.4444998

"Bigger, hotter wildfires are ravaging forests and burning them to the ground more frequently as the climate gets hotter and drier. Now a new study shows that in some places in the U.S., those forests may never grow back."

[skysos]

We’ve had a few catastrophic wildfires here in central WA. Things that were a moonscape a few years back seem to have the usual progression of recovery species. Depending on the locale, new growth of shrubs is first apparent and then a couple years later trees start to appear. Mixed growth too, white bark mixed with larch, cedar and hemlock, aspen, lodge pole and pondos growing together.

I think we’re impatient and can’t get away from a human time scale


Sent from my iPhone using TGR Forums

Here's a study on post-fire tree regrowth after 20 years: https://scholarworks.umt.edu/etd/11779/ in the Bitterroot range of Montana. I read this a while back and was reminded of it reading this thread.

Conclusion:

"Results suggest that study areas that were affected by high severity fire are unlikely to return to pre-fire conditions without tree planting or other management activities."

There was another study earlier in the same area that suggested the same thing: that the more shaded northerly aspects will regrow just fine, but the higher temps caused by climate change affect the southerly aspects profoundly and those will never grow back without help.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/fore...ires-1.4444998

"Bigger, hotter wildfires are ravaging forests and burning them to the ground more frequently as the climate gets hotter and drier. Now a new study shows that in some places in the U.S., those forests may never grow back."

Okay, I’m just telling you what I see. A study saying that the forests MAY never grow back isn’t definitive. No?

The areas I’m talking about are in Wilderness. No tree planting or other management. The entire forest burned and nothing but ash on the ground, all duff gone. Vegetation is coming back, wildflowers, then brush like sage, ceanothus, ocean spray and berries. Next the pine, fir, larch and aspen shows up.

I’m sure climate change will have an impact in the future but right now that’s not what I see on the ground.

Sent from my iPhone using TGR Forums

[::: :::]

Sidebar:
Commercial forest farming has developed ways to pattern out land to keep producing wood for lumber, paper etc. It seems like the issue of creating forests is not necessarily a wait-for-nature timeline if it’s used strategically.
[this does not obviate the need for natural spaces at all…just pointing out that we have an industry that understands how to create forest quickly and repetitively]

[bodywhomper]

It’s not a one size solution. As kocher points out in the Twitter thread linked upstream, some forest species, like lodgepole pine, need hot fire for seed germination, while other trees, like pondo pine, need living trees nearby for germination.

There are tree plantation methods that forest scientists and fire ecologists believe can allow for silviculture to occur with minimized wildfire hazard. The term “pyrosilviculture” is used often. Many private timber property owners/managers do not practice this method, apparently, because of liability. One of the common silviculture practices creates high potential for high severity wildfire.

[This End Up]

We just need more nuclear plants, located in your backyard, not mine

[xyz]

We just need more nuclear plants, located in your backyard, not mine

That’s it. Everyone wants to save the planet, until it affects them personally.

[neufox47]

If the trees aren’t going to grow back on their own, it doesn’t seem like a good idea to try to force it. You’re just making more vulnerable fuel.


Sent from my iPhone using TGR Forums

[bodywhomper]

Whatever grows back, without maintenance, will become vulnerable fuel.The concept in California by the new wildfire and forest resilience task force is to replant, restore, and maintain. Replanting does not necessarily mean dense tree plantations of traditionally marketable trees.

[rideit]

We are so fukt

https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/...www.google.com

[The SnowShow]

^^^so the whole east coast will be inundated by those lethal worms soon? Phenomenal.

Has anyone seen the movie Interstellar? Can’t help to think that with the way things are going, the scenario on earth in the movie is where we’re headed [emoji15]

[rideit]

Fukt

https://news.yahoo.com/disturbing-si...113000973.html

[DoYou WannaDance]

Windfarm 'clean' energy lobby is going to ensure that all these deaths have nothing to do with them and we need more offshore wind farms.

This summer has actually been a little better for not having a shitload of seaweed where I am than the previous 2.

[bodywhomper]

How do wind farms grow the deadly worms or the toxic algae?

[SumJongGuy]

How do wind farms grow the deadly worms or the toxic algae?

They block the wind making the ocean hotter to bloom more algae DUH! Don't you know any idiots still all in on climate change denial? There's always that one guy... and it's always a guy..

[The SnowShow]

Terrifying stats:

[panchosdad]

100 degree water temp is nuts, I had no idea it got anywhere near that.