Climate Change

[bodywhomper]

My take is that this is an all solutions at once approach that’s necessary. There are definitely plans being made for injecting CO2 into the ground for storage. Many provide multiple solutions. Wetland restoration in bays, coastlines, estuaries provide ecological benefits, assist with protecting inland adjacent built-out areas from sea level rise, provide recreational benefits, provide jobs (planning, development, and maintenance), and provide sequestration.

In California, I see biomass as a necessary component for forest restoration, dealing with veg ag waste, and dealing with veg waste from landscape property maintenance. It seems a far better alternative compare to other options, such as high severity massive habitat transitioning wildfires, enormous open pile burns, and open ag burning.

[raisingarizona13]

My take is that we are totally fucked.

Enjoy the day I guess.

[BCMtnHound]

My take is that this is an all solutions at once approach that’s necessary.

This ^^X1000
In order to have measurable impact in the next few decades, all options, tailored to the local energy opportunities, ecology, and economy need to be implemented yesterday. Especially the ones that help preserve ecosystem resilience and economic adaptability. There is no silver bullet, but for the removal of our species from the equation. And I like being here, and providing that opportunity to my progeny.

[bodywhomper]

“We can’t afford the luxury of nihilism.”

[PB]

Whoa .... who said anything about ferrets in the bathtub?!?!?

Absolutley, anything that produces a net, however slight, reduction in green house gases, should be employed if possible.
The trick is to convince lazy, change resistant people to buy in and participate. The zombie cultists are a complete lost cause and no energy whatsoever should be wasted on them.

[AirheadD8]

This ^^X1000
In order to have measurable impact in the next few decades, all options, tailored to the local energy opportunities, ecology, and economy need to be implemented yesterday. Especially the ones that help preserve ecosystem resilience and economic adaptability. There is no silver bullet, but for the removal of our species from the equation. And I like being here, and providing that opportunity to my progeny.

Yep , And it must be done in a way that doesn't create millions of poor people . Lets see what happens in Europe this winter . It's going to be bad when people can't afford heat ,they'll resort to burning everything and anything to stay warm ,definitely not friendly to the environment.

As far as injecting C02 into the ground ...Bad Idea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nyos_disaster
A seismic event could trigger a disaster.

Ok ....flash forward Fossil fuels are gone .....Now all of the byproducts that are integrated into daily life will need to have substitutes , plastic in skis? Tires, computers ,pretty much start from scratch to re engineer life.

Like RA says totally effed .....Good intentions can have detrimental un intended consequences ......

Plant Trees!

[bodywhomper]

The trick is to convince lazy, change resistant people to buy in and participate. The zombie cultists are a complete lost cause and no energy whatsoever should be wasted on them.

I’ve been told that biomass in California has very thin margins. In most of NorCal, there’s also the issue of dependence on pge.

Article on co2 injection in California: https://mavensnotebook.com/2022/01/0...26373291015625

[romeo tango]

....The trick is to convince lazy, change resistant people to buy in and participate....

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that isnt going to happen soon

carry on ....
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[old goat]

Yep , And it must be done in a way that doesn't create millions of poor people . Lets see what happens in Europe this winter . It's going to be bad when people can't afford heat ,they'll resort to burning everything and anything to stay warm ,definitely not friendly to the environment.

As far as injecting C02 into the ground ...Bad Idea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nyos_disaster
A seismic event could trigger a disaster.

Ok ....flash forward Fossil fuels are gone .....Now all of the byproducts that are integrated into daily life will need to have substitutes , plastic in skis? Tires, computers ,pretty much start from scratch to re engineer life.

Like RA says totally effed .....Good intentions can have detrimental un intended consequences ......

Plant Trees!

The fact that we don't burn fossil fuels doesn't mean we can't use them to make stuff, provided we can make that stuff without generating CO2. I'm totally ignorant of the chemistry involved and maybe that's not possible, or maybe it means completely changing refineries. Better yet, maybe we can make more stuff out of all the biomass we get from raking the forest.

I’ve been told that biomass in California has very thin margins. In most of NorCal, there’s also the issue of dependence on pge.

Article on co2 injection in California: https://mavensnotebook.com/2022/01/0...26373291015625

What do you mean by thin margins? I can think of a couple of ways to interpret that. And do you mean biomass for electricity generation? I assume that's what you're talking about, or do you mean biomass for hydrogen production?

[bodywhomper]

Thin profit margin for investors to get a facility built and operating, so I’ve been told… and I believe that’s both of those types of biomass facility. I conflated the two (energy and H production). Sry

[old goat]

Thin profit margin for investors to get a facility built and operating, so I’ve been told… and I believe that’s both of those types of biomass facility. I conflated the two (energy and H production). Sry

Thanks for clarifying. Yeah, like everything else about fixing the climate crisis it's going to require subsidies. We pay now or we pay later.

[AirheadD8]

Article on co2 injection in California: https://mavensnotebook.com/2022/01/0...26373291015625[/QUOTE]

Fracking ? Drilling wells ( using fossil fuel ) and injecting C02? Uggggg
Plant trees if you want to sequester CO2 , some things don't need to be all that complicated .

I live in a wooded area and it's consistently 6-12f cooler than the city I work in .

[old goat]

[QUOTE}

Fracking ? Drilling wells ( using fossil fuel ) and injecting C02? Uggggg
Plant trees if you want to sequester CO2 , some things don't need to be all that complicated .

I live in a wooded area and it's consistently 6-12f cooler than the city I work in .[/QUOTE]

We could just all drink more soda and sparkling water.

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not sure if this has been posted
https://thehill.com/changing-america...nd-in-wyoming/

not a word about trees in the article as a possible CO2 removal mechanism

[MagnificentUnicorn]

not sure if this has been posted
https://thehill.com/changing-america...nd-in-wyoming/

not a word about trees in the article as a possible CO2 removal mechanism

Wouldn’t it take a while for trees to get big enough to make much of a difference even with planting hundreds of thousands?


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Wouldn’t it take a while for trees to get big enough to make much of a difference even with planting hundreds of thousands?


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yes, absolutely
but that project ^^^ also hasn't broken ground

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Why not both? I’m not sure what you’re getting at by bringing up trees with that link


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Why not both? I’m not sure what you’re getting at by bringing up trees with that link

i was just surprised that there wasn't a benchmark to describe how effective this will be
and trees struck me as our most obvious CO2 processors
not criticizing the effort so apologies if that's how i made it sound
"both and" strategy works for me for sure

[Supermoon]

Best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. Second best time is today. As they say.

Trees are great, so are other capture solutions, but the ocean is probably the best carbon sink if we can get the carbon into it.

[yeahman]

Underground carbon storage is going to be HUUUDDGE. I've read about other projects getting started in North Dakota. All those landowners around the Bakken who didn't own their land's mineral rights (or were outside the prime shale-oil play) could finally benefit financially because carbon storage is attached to the surface rights, not the mineral rights.

[byates1]

This popped up the other day. What say all about this guy's reasoning? Interesting.

[bodywhomper]

That’s ^^ pretty interesting. In some areas of California, there’s been a rush to get first in the queue for permits for underground carbon storage. Same will soon occur for offshore wind.

Trees: in California, there’s almost 2M acres of federal land that was previous conifer forests that were recently destroyed in high severity wildfire. There’s a bit of a conundrum about what to do next. Methods of reforestation may or may not be successful because of difficulty in implementing and maintaining the areas. Most of the discussion that I see revolves around previous lack by the federal government to successfully grow a forest and maintain it in such a way that it won’t be devastated by another high severity wildfire in 20-30 years. There are some success stories and many unsuccessful stories, but none at the scale of the current problem.

[old goat]

A lot of places where forest has burned will never grow trees again, due to climate change.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

A lot of places where forest has burned will never grow trees again, due to climate change.

I don’t really think that’s true. We probably won’t notice the reforestation but the trees will grow. Everywhere that I’ve gone into that’s had very hot fires, everything burned to bare soil, has new trees growing after a few years.


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[AirheadD8]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IeyP439HLFs

As long as the CO2 stays where they put it! I’m thinking try that experiment where no population exists!

Not much profit planting trees. Poplar trees grow pretty quickly I’m sure there’s other varieties that do as well. They also give off oxygen so there’s that too.

Sparkling water and soda have side effects on me, I can change CO2 into methane 😁