Climate Change

[AirheadD8]

Hurricanes hits Canada and typhoon hits Alaska. Shit's getting real.

Dogs and cats living in sin!

[tuco]

Not a Jong but the miserable banned Glademaster thinking he’s welcome here after hoping other maggots die.
He’s only back to spread more hate.

Huh!
Yet the 3x'r can state he wishes that the Tuc's house had burned down w/ him in it for stating the dude wasn't being smart renting his basement w/ a known fire hazard and not addressing the issue.
Not that I wanted the dude banned, but maybe some words(or short timeout) on what's not appropriate to post

[SoVT Joey]

The point I have been trying to make is that things like installing charging stations in apartment parking lots and on the street and increasing the frequency and routes of mass transit are not going to happen without major government intervention and spending on a scale orders of magnitude higher than the Inflation Reduction Act and that is going to mean a huge increase in taxes with a top marginal tax rate of 90%--as it was in the 50's and early 60's--and a wealth tax.

It's so easy to propose solutions and skip over the details of how we get there.

listen. I 100000% agree with your last statement. There are tons of proposed solutions and little way to get there. I am for EVs for a lot of people, it’s perfect. They won’t work for me doing construction yet or living where I travel a couple hundred miles in a day doing something for work.

Old Goat brings up the most valid points of all though. California and western states where the cities have been developed in the last 50 years are very different then east coast cities that were developed 250 years ago. Boston is a very standout place. Between the road system or lack there of, lack of parking, super tight streets, and tons of other utilities that are buried and antiquated already, bringing so much more electricity to charge vehicles will be very very expensive.

Is there technology for solar car chargers? Like essentially portable charging stations that have a battery in them to hold a certain amount of charge and a solar panel to charge the batteries back up after said EV is plugged in? It would seem to cut cost in infrastructure, staying above ground would be the cheapest way. So maybe some time of portable charging station needs to come to the table.

[SoVT Joey]

Huh!
Yet the 3x'r can state he wishes that the Tuc's house had burned down w/ him in it for stating the dude wasn't being smart renting his basement w/ a known fire hazard and not addressing the issue.
Not that I wanted the dude banned, but maybe some words(or short timeout) on what's not appropriate to post

sounds like a bunch of babies. Go drive to his shit hole and punch him in the mouth and get the fuck over it.

[tuco]

I'm over it, don't you worry toughguy

[SoVT Joey]

I'm over it, don't you worry toughguy

im not worried about it. Nor am I a tough guy. But I’m also not a full grown man whining to moderators to punish another full grown man for hurtful words like some 5 year olds on a play ground.

[tuco]

Me either

[SoVT Joey]

Me either

i guess my reading comprehension is lacking.

[tuco]

Yep.

Got 0 lingering issues w/ the guy! I'd rather ski w/ guy than fight 'em.
And yeah, I agree, we both acted like 6 yr old assholes in that thread

Sorry for thread drift, carry on.....

[Falcon3]

John Wesley Powell must have turned over in his grave when the Colorado River Compact was signed.

How about we exhume his body, throw a magnet on him, wrap his coffin in copper. It’ll create enough green electricity to replace the Glen Canyon Dam.

[Supermoon]

Anyone who blames the river/lake drying up on 'carbon emmissions' or global warming and not too many humans using the water is a moron.

A 22 year megadrought fueled by climate change sure sounds like a good reason for a water shortage.

https://blog.ucsusa.org/pablo-ortiz/...rn-us-drought/

[SumJongGuy]

Anyone who blames the river/lake drying up on 'carbon emmissions' or global warming and not too many humans using the water is a moron.

Pretty sure most of the water each human uses is pretty immediately returned to the ecosystem as water. The shit people burn is converted to other elements fucking shit up and disrupting the balance of our atmosphere.

[old goat]

Anyone who blames the river/lake drying up on 'carbon emmissions' or global warming and not too many humans using the water is a moron.

I think someone has had one too many nocturnal "emmissions".

[NWFlow]

Anyone who blames the river/lake drying up on 'carbon emmissions' or global warming and not too many humans using the water is a moron.

Can't it be both?

[k2skier112]

So now the climate thread is the place for biased jong trolls...

[Ted Striker]

I mean this is a large body of water that is vanishing in virtually no time whatsoever. What is the temperature again required for water to turn into air? 212 degrees?

Umm... no. Boiling occurs when the liquid vapor pressure reaches the ambient barometric pressure, but water evaporates at all temperatures above freezing. Otherwise, it would never dry after it rains.

But the chart of water evaporation vs temperature isn't a straight line, it's an upward curve.

[paulster2626]

I mean this is a large body of water that is vanishing in virtually no time whatsoever. What is the temperature again required for water to turn into air? 212 degrees? The air being warmer hasn't dried the river up.

Hoo boy. I'm just gonna scroll past and pretend I didn't see anything...

[skaredshtles]

I think the proper response to this moranity is:

[J. Barron DeJong]

It can be true that both climate change and too much human consumption are contributing to the problem.

Re:consumption-

“In 1960, U.S. Supreme Court Special Master Simon Rifkind made a fundamental mistake in calculating how much water was then available in the Colorado River Basin, and how much might be available in the future. The court, in its ruling in the case of Arizona v. California, accepted Rifkind’s math. The consequence is a shortage on the Colorado River relative to the expectations of the nine states (seven in the U.S., two in Mexico) that share it.But it also was a fundamental mistake for the water users in the Lower Colorado River Basin to not recognize the flaw in Rifkind’s math and act accordingly. That second mistake, more than Rifkind’s, is the cause of our current troubles.”

https://www.inkstain.net/2013/11/sim...olorado-river/

And yeah, evaporation isn’t the same as boiling. Maybe read about sublimation - you’re mind will be blown!

[AirheadD8]

I mean this is a large body of water that is vanishing in virtually no time whatsoever. What is the temperature again required for water to turn into air? 212 degrees? The air being warmer hasn't dried the river up.

Now has human behavior that led to the river drying up also contributed to climate change sure but rearranging the dominos to fit a narrative is stupid. Human/corporate consumption depleted the river.

I don't like to use the word overpopulated because in many respects we need a growing population and every generation has used the same 'US is full go back to where you came from' rhetoric but too many people/companies use the CO River as their primary watersource. This is a pretty crazy and serious ecological problem the easiest solution (ecologically not socially) likely would be to disperse humans to more moist climates and different water sources without leaving the USA be it Alaska, Midwest, Southeast, Northeast.

But I'm not even really trying to fix the problem just using common sense to identify it. Just because a well had enough water for a town of 100 people doesn't mean its enough when there are 10,000 people relying on it.

A common sense solution 🤪
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P0q4o58pKwA

Although I guess you skipped earth science in school.

[old goat]

Anyone who blames the river/lake drying up on 'carbon emmissions' or global warming and not too many humans using the water is a moron.

If you read this sentence as "anyone who blames the river/lake drying up ONLY on carbon emissions or global warming and not on too many humans using the water as well is a moron" then it makes sense. Don't think that's what they meant though. And around here it's "moran", JONG.

[Percy Rideout]

The first Colorado River basin users that should be allocated less are the users that draw water from outside the Colorado river basin.

I don't give a shit that they had a say back in 1922. Look at the map, its not their water.

These powerful groups should be the first to tighten their belts considering they aren't taking their native water, but rather stealing it from a basin over.

-Denver
-California Agriculture in the Imperial valley
-LA (desalination plants anyone???)

Why nobody singles out these users is odd to me.

[SumJongGuy]

$200K? How much were the first Teslas? If this can be scaled up to demand and price cut in half, we've got something right??

Hydrogen-powered Ford Ranger hits the road

[neufox47]

The first Colorado River basin users that should be allocated less are the users that draw water from outside the Colorado river basin.

I don't give a shit that they had a say back in 1922. Look at the map, its not their water.

These powerful groups should be the first to tighten their belts considering they aren't taking their native water, but rather stealing it from a basin over.

-Denver
-California Agriculture in the Imperial valley
-LA (desalination plants anyone???)

Why nobody singles out these users is odd to me.

So you want to completely change the water rights of America and have it declared that only people and land that are located in a watershed have a right to any of its water? [emoji848]

[bodywhomper]

Don’t forget MX