Climate Change

[SumJongGuy]

Armadillos in NC and TN are cute. What's really gonna be fun is when our lakes and rivers are full of gators. Sorry folks, no more water skiing or beach days inland.

[PB]

Don't forget silver carp blunt force trauma.

[AirheadD8]

Armadillos in NC and TN are cute. What's really gonna be fun is when our lakes and rivers are full of gators. Sorry folks, no more water skiing or beach days inland.

I heard gators taste like chicken.

[SumJongGuy]

I heard gators taste like chicken.

So do people

[SumJongGuy]

California GAS STOP O?

California votes to ban new gas car sales by 2035

I can hardly wait for the onion version of this..

[old goat]

It will be interesting to see if there is anything close to the amount of charging infrastructure to accommodate even the number of EV's targeted for 2026, let alone the 2035 version. Or anything close to the amount of clean electricity needed to charge them. As it is California's grid can barely keep up. Without massive public investment in charging and clean generation there won't be enough people buying new EV's and clean power to make a dent in CO2 emissions. I expect we'll see people hanging on to their gas cars and trucks, especially in rural areas--we'll be like Cuba. It has to happen, but relying on subsidies and the free market alone--as in the Inflation Reduction Act or setting a fleet standard and expecting the other pieces to magically fall into place--ala CA--isn't going to do it.

[AirheadD8]

So do people

Soylent Green .........Prophetic

[The SnowShow]

Anyone see the hotel in Pakistan get swept away in historic flooding? JFC

[simple]

The Pakistan flooding is bonkers.

The death toll is going to be massive.

[The SnowShow]

The Pakistan flooding is bonkers.

The death toll is going to be massive.

A THIRD of the country is under water?! What is it going to take to get people VERY serious about limiting the effects of climate change/weirding/correction/whateverthefuck?

[simple]

We tried doing nothing but that didn't work so we are all out of ideas. Not enough profits to be made.

[Mofro261]

^^^
Now that's just the pluralistic ignorance and false social reality talkin'.


Americans experience a false social reality by underestimating popular climate policy support by nearly half

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-32412-y

Aug 23 2022

Abstract

Pluralistic ignorance—a shared misperception of how others think or behave—poses a challenge to collective action on problems like climate change. Using a representative sample of Americans (N = 6119), we examine whether Americans accurately perceive national concern about climate change and support for mitigating policies. We find a form of pluralistic ignorance that we describe as a false social reality: a near universal perception of public opinion that is the opposite of true public sentiment. Specifically, 80–90% of Americans underestimate the prevalence of support for major climate change mitigation policies and climate concern. While 66–80% Americans support these policies, Americans estimate the prevalence to only be between 37–43% on average. Thus, supporters of climate policies outnumber opponents two to one, while Americans falsely perceive nearly the opposite to be true. Further, Americans in every state and every assessed demographic underestimate support across all polices tested. Preliminary evidence suggests three sources of these misperceptions: (i) consistent with a false consensus effect, respondents who support these policies less (conservatives) underestimate support by a greater degree; controlling for one’s own personal politics, (ii) exposure to more conservative local norms and (iii) consuming conservative news correspond to greater misperceptions.

[Core Shot]

We tried doing nothing but that didn't work so we are all out of ideas. Not enough profits to be made.

Cognitive dissonance

Kill yourself. Or at the very least stop lift served skiing.
It contributes nothing to society.

The sad thing is we’re all killing Gaia.

[Tri-Ungulate]

Or better yet, kill the propagandists that promulgate that false social reality.

Okay, "kill" perhaps too strong, but they should be gone.

Rupert needs to die already, even though Lachlan will sadly carry the torch.

[The SnowShow]

The deniers will say meh, so the oceans rise 10”. That’s nothing! Why are we freaking out over 10” of beach vertical lost?

[SumJongGuy]

They probably had similar conversations on Mars a billion years ago..

[WMD]

I don't think there are any deniers.

Plenty of people might question whether moving away from fossil fuels that have become extremely efficient recently is a good idea. But that is hardly denying.

I'd rather idiots stop depleting the CO river and move somewhere else or just use bottled water if they are rich and can afford it that would do more than driving an electric car who's battery is going to end up in a landfill along with all the solar panels and other nasty things there will be no usable ground water in a couple decades because of 'green' technologies once they are past their lifespan and are buried.

Proof there are still deniers^^

[old goat]

Gee I didn't know you could run a car on corn syrup.
Need to check the pantry.

[Markeyz]

^^^
Now that's just the pluralistic ignorance and false social reality talkin'.


Americans experience a false social reality by underestimating popular climate policy support by nearly half

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-32412-y

Aug 23 2022

Abstract

Pluralistic ignorance—a shared misperception of how others think or behave—poses a challenge to collective action on problems like climate change. Using a representative sample of Americans (N = 6119), we examine whether Americans accurately perceive national concern about climate change and support for mitigating policies. We find a form of pluralistic ignorance that we describe as a false social reality: a near universal perception of public opinion that is the opposite of true public sentiment. Specifically, 80–90% of Americans underestimate the prevalence of support for major climate change mitigation policies and climate concern. While 66–80% Americans support these policies, Americans estimate the prevalence to only be between 37–43% on average. Thus, supporters of climate policies outnumber opponents two to one, while Americans falsely perceive nearly the opposite to be true. Further, Americans in every state and every assessed demographic underestimate support across all polices tested. Preliminary evidence suggests three sources of these misperceptions: (i) consistent with a false consensus effect, respondents who support these policies less (conservatives) underestimate support by a greater degree; controlling for one’s own personal politics, (ii) exposure to more conservative local norms and (iii) consuming conservative news correspond to greater misperceptions.

Weird, I can’t imagine how that could possibly happen.

[Markeyz]

It will be interesting to see if there is anything close to the amount of charging infrastructure to accommodate even the number of EV's targeted for 2026, let alone the 2035 version. Or anything close to the amount of clean electricity needed to charge them. As it is California's grid can barely keep up. Without massive public investment in charging and clean generation there won't be enough people buying new EV's and clean power to make a dent in CO2 emissions. I expect we'll see people hanging on to their gas cars and trucks, especially in rural areas--we'll be like Cuba. It has to happen, but relying on subsidies and the free market alone--as in the Inflation Reduction Act or setting a fleet standard and expecting the other pieces to magically fall into place--ala CA--isn't going to do it.

Ok, I’ll bite, what’s the alternative?

[Markeyz]

I don't think there are any deniers.

Plenty of people might question whether moving away from fossil fuels that have become extremely efficient recently is a good idea. But that is hardly denying.

I'd rather idiots stop depleting the CO river and move somewhere else or just use bottled water if they are rich and can afford it that would do more than driving an electric car who's battery is going to end up in a landfill along with all the solar panels and other nasty things there will be no usable ground water in a couple decades because of 'green' technologies once they are past their lifespan and are buried.

It ain’t just the mighty Colorado https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogallala_Aquifer

[old goat]

Ok, I’ll bite, what’s the alternative?

For starters, state takeover of PGE and SoCalEdison. Second, use taxpayer dollars as well as rate payer dollars to expand generating capacity as fast as possible with non-carbon sources. Third, adjust the fleet percentage of ecars based on increased generating capacity. California is big on mandates--mandated solar on new construction (Truckee gets a pass because no one makes solar panels rated for our snow loads), now mandated ecars. The state needs to take a more active role. It's not politically expedient--taxpayers like to see someone else do the heavy lifting--but we'll all drown, burn up, or die of thirst together, whether we drive cars and have solar panels or not.

The climate crisis will not be solved without very big government. Americans will not like it.

[Garfield3d]

I don't think there are any deniers.

Plenty of people might question whether moving away from fossil fuels that have become extremely efficient recently is a good idea. But that is hardly denying.

Maybe it's because I live in Texas, but there are plenty of people here who believe that global warming is due to animals, agriculture, and normal weather cycles. At their core, their argument isn't centered on "How do we minimize carbon output" but moreso "Why do we need to minimize out carbon footprint?"

[skaredshtles]

Maybe it's because I live in Texas, but there are plenty of people here who believe that global warming is due to animals, agriculture, and normal weather cycles.

[SumJongGuy]

It's an evangelical religious thing. They have to blame God and at the same time believe the god that wrecked the shit will fix the shit and make it better.. That comes with the notion that it is blasphemy to claim that man has more control over what happens to the earth than god. Same with any non biblical science, evolution, etc...