Climate Change

[old goat]

When I mentioned solar panels looking hideous I was talking a farm in western Maine by the white mtns. It is 50 acres of mirrors, ugly as fuck. They tried to convert an old apple orchard next town over to solar panels. Neighbors threw a fit and it got shot down.
Iowa, Nebraska, put as many solar panels as possible. They are butt ugly in pretty places though.

Don't worry--climate change will have western Maine and the Whites looking as ugly as Iowa and Nebraska soon enough. Then we can put solar farms there and no one will mind.

[teamdirt]

Psst- your electric vehicle is built out of petroleum…the batteries are more toxic than mercury and the vaccine will solve climate change…

Just saying for a friend….wink, wink!

[frorider]

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[old goat]

I guess Chuck Schumer must have turned off the AC in Joe Manchin's office.

[PB]

Ha, good one!
I think Joe got more than some cool air in the deal though.

[Garfield3d]

Psst- your electric vehicle is built out of petroleum…the batteries are more toxic than mercury and the vaccine will solve climate change…

Just saying for a friend….wink, wink!

I'm confused. Isn't a gas powered vehicle also built out of petroleum?

[k2skier112]

I'm confused. Isn't a gas powered vehicle also built out of petroleum?

logic and facts isn't part of their spiel

[old goat]

Flooding in Death Valley

[Core Shot]

A foot of hail in Estes park? In July?

Las Vegas flooded?

[WMD]

^^Nothing to see here folks. Put some more gas in your car and move along. We'll be fine. . . Really. Trust us.

[teamdirt]

Food for thought:

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...hould-we-worry

[altasnob]

Interesting post by our local PNW weather guru Cliff Mass. Explains how in Washington, we have positioned our wind turbines in areas that are the most windy throughout the year (East slope of the Cascades), but also the least windy during times of extreme heat and extreme cold (the exact moments when electricity demand is at it highest point). We need to diversify our wind turbine locations (more on the open ocean, where it is almost always windy). Probably holds true in other parts of the West.

https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2022/...ring.html?lr=1

[k2skier112]

I missed this eruption

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/03/11153...=135&utm_att1=

Tonga's volcano sent tons of water into the stratosphere. That could warm the Earth

[AK47bp]

I missed this eruption

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/03/11153...=135&utm_att1=

Tonga's volcano sent tons of water into the stratosphere. That could warm the Earth

Well that’s just great, now the earth is warming herself.


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[farmguy]

Interesting post by our local PNW weather guru Cliff Mass. Explains how in Washington, we have positioned our wind turbines in areas that are the most windy throughout the year (East slope of the Cascades), but also the least windy during times of extreme heat and extreme cold (the exact moments when electricity demand is at it highest point). We need to diversify our wind turbine locations (more on the open ocean, where it is almost always windy). Probably holds true in other parts of the West.

https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2022/...ring.html?lr=1

Its almost like they put them in the least efficient areas as well as far away from any populated areas to avoid ruining scenic views.

NIMBY at its best

[beer30]

It’s been pretty easy to see the rapid retreat of our small glacier over twenty years. I was still shocked to hear on the radio it’s got ten to fifteen years before it goes. I’m gonna have to go visit it this summer.

[old goat]

Its almost like they put them in the least efficient areas as well as far away from any populated areas to avoid ruining scenic views.

NIMBY at its best

Depends. If the purpose of the wind turbines is to meet peak demand, then yeah. If the idea is to generate base demand then the siting makes sense.
But on one gets attention for their blog saying that the folks in charge did something right.

[PB]

And keep in mind: a primary characteristic of a heat wave is ..... no wind pretty much any where. That's why it suddenly gets hotter than normal.

[old goat]

What about Santa Anas? (While the air mass in not particularly hot, the high downslope winds heat the air by compressing it.)

[PB]

Fair point, but then you've the equivalent of this - https://www.wcax.com/2022/07/26/vira...fwsMs3ZmNErUgo

[Dantheman]

Florida sea turtles are doomed: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...lobal-heatings

[neufox47]

Florida sea turtles are doomed: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...lobal-heatings

I assume sea turtles from not Florida can also mate with these turtles? Some boy turtles are going to have to get busy impregnating all the females from Florida…

[Blaster]

Wildfire: Look at how much I’m messing with California.

Ark flood: Hold my beer…

http://vimeo.com/19012969 For an interesting mash up of metal, the USGS, and California getting hosed.

https://www.usgs.gov/programs/scienc...nario#overview

[old goat]

Wildfire: Look at how much I’m messing with California.

Ark flood: Hold my beer…

http://vimeo.com/19012969 For an interesting mash up of metal, the USGS, and California getting hosed.

https://www.usgs.gov/programs/scienc...nario#overview

Oh great, another excuse for Palisades not to get the lifts open.

[abraham]

I recently was told about the 1950 Central Valley floods, it is a bit interesting to see the chart using the most extreme events observed historically since 1951.
I have a great uncle who I want to talk to about those floods since I hadn't heard about them before.
https://pubs.er.usgs.gov/publication/wsp1137F


Another interesting note that I've seen shared around recently. Spruce crossed the Brooks range and are spreading afaster than expected into the Arctic tundra.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05093-2

Abstract
Unprecedented modern rates of warming are expected to advance boreal forest into Arctic tundra, thereby reducing albedo, altering carbon cycling and further changing climate, yet the patterns and processes of this biome shift remain unclear. Climate warming, required for previous boreal advances, is not sufficient by itself for modern range expansion of conifers forming forest–tundra ecotones. No high-latitude population of conifers, the dominant North American Arctic treeline taxon, has previously been documented advancing at rates following the last glacial maximum (LGM). Here we describe a population of white spruce (Picea glauca) advancing at post-LGM rates across an Arctic basin distant from established treelines and provide evidence of mechanisms sustaining the advance. The population doubles each decade, with exponential radial growth in the main stems of individual trees correlating positively with July air temperature. Lateral branches in adults and terminal leaders in large juveniles grow almost twice as fast as those at established treelines. We conclude that surpassing temperature thresholds, together with winter winds facilitating long-distance dispersal, deeper snowpack and increased soil nutrient availability promoting recruitment and growth, provides sufficient conditions for boreal forest advance. These observations enable forecast modelling with important insights into the environmental conditions converting tundra into forest.

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We describe a large, expanding population of young, vigorous, sexually reproducing spruce, thriving within an Arctic watershed previously unoccupied by spruce for millennia and advancing at rates approaching post-LGM migration out of glacial refugia. Using satellite imagery (Fig. 1 and Supplementary Figs. 1−13) and field campaigns (Supplementary Fig. 14), we document white spruce dispersal over Alaska’s Brooks Range, a 1,000-km Arctic mountain range (Fig. 1a) long considered a barrier to forest advance. The oldest trees appear to have colonized during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries by dispersing over a mountainous divide from established treelines in a basin supporting spruce for 6,000 years. Our observations suggest that winter winds, deep snow and greater nutrient availability provide for rapid individual and exponential population growth, propelling the population northwards at >4 km per decade, faster than for all modern conifer treelines previously measured. These environmental factors are associated with rising temperatures and decreasing sea ice, highlighting interconnections between marine and terrestrial components in a rapidly changing Arctic.