Climate Change

[SumJongGuy]

Is there a valid argument that actively planting, watering, and growing trees to 8 feet over and over on a few acres (or a lot more) is better than how much would grow there and cycle gases left alone? Some of them are pretty massive operations.

[Buster Highmen]

Is there a valid argument that actively planting, watering, and growing trees to 8 feet over and over on a few acres (or a lot more) is better than how much would grow there and cycle gases left alone? Some of them are pretty massive operations.

There's a number of reports on tree growth.

Those sponsored by the timber companies indicate that the planting and harvesting model is more beneficiary than old growth and is carbon negative.
https://www.ncasi.org/wp-content/upl...sOld_print.pdf

Other studies indicate that young forests (e.g. timber model) are not as carbon negative as but old growth.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature12914 ,

Evidently the jury is still out on young versus old forests sequestering more CO2.

[SumJongGuy]

There's a number of reports on tree growth.

Those sponsored by the timber companies indicate that the planting and harvesting model is more beneficiary than old growth and is carbon negative.
https://www.ncasi.org/wp-content/upl...sOld_print.pdf

Other studies indicate that young forests (e.g. timber model) are not as carbon negative as but old growth.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature12914 ,

Evidently the jury is still out on young versus old forests sequestering more CO2.

A real tree sure makes the house smell good in December. Guess with no proof it's destroying us we'll carry on for now..

[baron]

There are all kinds of trees being planted all over the world by Governments and NGOs to fight climate change. Millions of trees.

of course

but, there must be more getting burnt +those knocked down for construction- everywhere I look there's more and more missing from our landscapes

The 1 thing that could really help is on the fringe of industrial use>Hemp

-Hemp and Hemp Oil can replace thousands of petroleum products and textiles
-it grows super fast
-helps knock down co2 lvls
-and it smells good too/bonus!

One of the old hippy conspiracies is that pot was made illegal to keep hemp off the radar for industrial applications by the oil industry-it was never controlled until oil became a major commodity

[raisingarizona13]

This is fucked.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62225696

[WMD]

Definitely equivalent to war crimes^^

[raisingarizona13]

Definitely equivalent to war crimes^^

I was thinking even worse. These assholes sealed our fate for profits.

[Buster Highmen]

They were just following tobacco's lead and I imagine that similar machinations have gone on in the pharma industries.

[uglymoney]

Definitely equivalent to war crimes^^

I was thinking even worse. These assholes sealed our fate for profits.

They were just following tobacco's lead and I imagine that similar machinations have gone on in the pharma industries.

People are so fucking stupid gullible also when people they trust tell them what they want to hear. It is like all the Republicans who are surprised their freedom party is going to vote against guaranteed access to birth control. Like duh?

The science of climate change is pretty easy. It only seems complicated when you try to argue with brainwashed morons or the pros spinning the lies.

The outright hatred of windmills and solar you see everywhere right now. It is mind bending how fucking brainwashed you have to be to think those two energy sources are bad. Yet here we are.

Tragic all the way around.



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[teletech]

I thought solar was pretty cool until I saw a large farm converted to solar. What an eyesore. Acres and acres of mirrors. Fuck that jazz.

[raisingarizona13]

I thought solar was pretty cool until I saw a large farm converted to solar. What an eyesore. Acres and acres of mirrors. Fuck that jazz.

Well, I don't entirely disagree about the impacts of solar and wind farms but the affects of climate change are gonna be a whole lot more than an eyesore in our very near future.

[raisingarizona13]

They were just following tobacco's lead and I imagine that similar machinations have gone on in the pharma industries.

I was thinking the same.

[uglymoney]

I thought solar was pretty cool until I saw a large farm converted to solar. What an eyesore. Acres and acres of mirrors. Fuck that jazz.

Is a farm of corn planted in rows really that pretty? Is the water that flows off that land filled with mud and silt pretty? If you think that is awesome move to Iowa. Newsflash. Nobody wants to live here. The rivers are the most polluted in the nation from those row crops. It is one of the reason this place has been infiltrated by majority brainwashed morons. People with half a brain have and will continue to leave this shithole state.

A farm converted to solar produces 70 times the energy of the same size farm gowning corn that is converted to ethanol...which makes up a huge chunk of the corn acres planted in Iowa. So imagine driving by huge chunks of land that is reforested with prairie and swamps and wildlife because we aren't wasting it trying to get energy from ethanol, instead using a far smaller amount of land to meet our energy needs with solar and returning that land used to grow ethanol to capture carbon naturally.

No brainer.

And nothing is uglier than a mountain range exploding in out of control fires fueled by the effects of climate change.

Another newsflash. The corn belt isn't immune to fires. And when we burn, our food burns. And some ethanol corn but nobody will miss that garbage.

[up an down]

I thought solar was pretty cool until I saw a large farm converted to solar. What an eyesore. Acres and acres of mirrors. Fuck that jazz.

Conventional power plants are MUCH uglier.. And MUCH more polluting.. Fuck that jizz

[raisingarizona13]

Is a farm of corn planted in rows really that pretty? Is the water that flows off that land filled with mud and silt pretty? If you think that is awesome move to Iowa. Newsflash. Nobody wants to live here. The rivers are the most polluted in the nation from those row crops. It is one of the reason this place has been infiltrated by majority brainwashed morons. People with half a brain have and will continue to leave this shithole state.

A farm converted to solar produces 70 times the energy of the same size farm gowning corn that is converted to ethanol...which makes up a huge chunk of the corn acres planted in Iowa. So imagine driving by huge chunks of land that is reforested with prairie and swamps and wildlife because we aren't wasting it trying to get energy from ethanol, instead using a far smaller amount of land to meet our energy needs with solar and returning that land used to grow ethanol to capture carbon naturally.

No brainer.

And nothing is uglier than a mountain range exploding in out of control fires fueled by the effects of climate change.

Another newsflash. The corn belt isn't immune to fires. And when we burn, our food burns. And some ethanol corn but nobody will miss that garbage.

Yeah, the visuals are already getting fucked, no doubt.

[Core Shot]

Corn for ethanol is fubar.
We need to plant food. Just ask Ukraine. Converting to solar farms is bullshit.

In my hood forests have been clearcut for solar farms. That’s double fucked.

But on the good side there are more and more parking lots that get carports with solar on top. That shit makes sense.

[AirheadD8]

Corn for ethanol is fubar.
We need to plant food. Just ask Ukraine. Converting to solar farms is bullshit.

In my hood forests have been clearcut for solar farms. That’s double fucked.

But on the good side there are more and more parking lots that get carports with solar on top. That shit makes sense.

5/6 of the energy of Solar Panels is given off as heat! People think solar is the answer are actually increasing warming! I lament constantly about the Albedo of big cities with their flat roofs of commercial buildings that are black rubber .

This is a start
https://www.sciencetimes.com/article...esearchers.htm

More attention needs to be paid on a large scale. The simple choices , the color car you drive , put your hand on a black car at noon on a sunny day. I’ll bet in a minute you have second degree burns.

I’m definitely in the tree planting category but indigenous species. I notice an easy 10f temperature difference when traveling from where I live into my local town.

Albedo affect needs more focus! There is a new “White solar panel technology” that should help reduce the heat generation issue of conventional panels.

[boltonoutlaw]

I thought solar was pretty cool until I saw a large farm converted to solar. What an eyesore. Acres and acres of mirrors. Fuck that jazz.

Hmm, should the future of this planet be guided by this narrow aesthetic? IDTS

When I see a field of solar panels I am heartened; I think "here be not morons"

[AirheadD8]

Hmm, should the future of this planet be guided by this narrow aesthetic? IDTS

When I see a field of solar panels I am heartened; I think "here be not morons"

Yup , nice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emBY...el=CBSMornings

[uglymoney]

Here they come. Solar and wind is bad. Look at these possible negatives.

As if burning oil and coal for power isn't way fucking worse in every way with impacts that compound over time. The world as we know it is literally dying because of it.

But oohhz, solar panels are hot, a windmill got hit by lightning and burned yesterday! The humanity!

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[AirheadD8]

Here they come. Solar and wind is bad. Look at these possible negatives.

As if burning oil and coal for power isn't way fucking worse in every way with impacts that compound over time. The world as we know it is literally dying because of it.

But oohhz, solar panels are hot, a windmill got hit by lightning and burned yesterday! The humanity!

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I believe you’re missing the point, while solving one problem let’s not create another. Not against wind or solar but can we have designs that work with nature now killing the local wildlife.

[uglymoney]

I believe you’re missing the point, while solving one problem let’s not create another. Not against wind or solar but can we have designs that work with nature now killing the local wildlife.

Okay.

57 percent of corn grown in Iowa is directly grown for ethanol. That is 7.3 million acres out of 12.9 million planted.

We can replace that ethanol energy with roughly 105k acres of solar panels (power let us say as a for instance electric cars the equivalent distance as ethanol would from 70 times the acreage) and have 7.2 million acres to turn into parks, CRP, forest, swamp, pothole lakes, which would actually clean the water we shit into the gulf every year and actually fix carbon.

That is 11,250 square miles of land we could take out of row crop production without effecting our food crop production...at all. That would be a 37 mile wide corridor of land returned potentially to nature from one side of Iowa to the other. Or it could be a huge national park. Yellowstone is only paltry 2.2 million acres.

Imagine Buffalo roaming free in Iowa...because solar. Lolz.

Also, right now our freshly closed nuclear plant which is going to be converted to solar is facing the same battle with the NIMBY's.
They were okay with nuclear but not solar because ugly. Mmmkay? Wtf.

A nuclear plant! Along a beautiful stretch of Cedar River. Ugliest shit ever. Shouldn't have been closed in the first place but now that has been, it is a battle to turn it into a solar facility.

But yeah, let's not put solar panels by Jenny Lake in Teton National Park. Agreed.

[Buster Highmen]

Every energy mechanism has problems.
Hopefully people can be smart enough to recognize relative merits and sort them appropriately.

I know solar panels produce heat, but I haven't seen a relative comparison to the cumulative effects as compared to fossil fuels. And relative to coal, nuclear power plants produce less radioactivity.

I've always thought that the aesthetic argument is a poor one relative to the functional one.

[boltonoutlaw]

Yup , nice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emBY...el=CBSMornings

Eagerly awaiting your passionate eulogy to all the species made extinct by mankind from sources other than solar and wind farming

[The Tortoise]

I'm confused.

Does Airhead think that solar panels are creating heat and thereby heating the planet?

What's the mechanism for this?

And is that 5/6 number just reflected heat?