Climate Change

[SumJongGuy]

Nothing will change till it has to change.

Nobody stopped using leaded gas until the government decided to make them.. Good thing back then Bubba's "opinion" didn't matter as much as radical leftist science facts did..

[The SnowShow]

Nothing will change till it has to change.

Umm I think we’re at that point. And yet there’s very little action other than talk.

[uglymoney]

I couldn’t care less about those people. Imagine being the head of a company that’s a massive contributor to global warming who wants to fight tooth and nail to keep pumping out greenhouse gases. You’d be so stoked reading about your opposition eating themselves alive with self defeating purity tests.

Exactly.

Purity test means literally nobody can talk about climate change.

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[The SnowShow]

Sure, but my point was that we need to convince a large part of the population to pivot and make painful changes. No way we can do that when you have people who are preaching nonstop about climate change but also flying everywhere around the globe and heli skiing. No way you’ll be able to connect to the average American.

[CnRzG]

This: Imagine being the head of a company that’s a massive contributor to global warming who wants to fight tooth and nail to keep pumping out greenhouse gases. You’d be so stoked reading about your opposition eating themselves alive with self defeating purity tests.

Truth is... And I don't know if it was already mentioned. But reducing your carbon footprint was a concept created by the fossil fuel industry to shift the burden of climate
change responsibility away from the corporate overlords and down to the people. Then, all the while they were pushing the disinformation about climate change. Which put us all at odds with each other on this very topic. When all the while, they could have shifted their corporate paradigm, adopted alternative energies sooner, and created the infrastructure necessary to bring this to the mainstream. I worry it's too little too late now.

[CnRzG]

Sure, but my point was that we need to convince a large part of the population to pivot and make painful changes. No way we can do that when you have people who are preaching nonstop about climate change but also flying everywhere around the globe and heli skiing. No way you’ll be able to connect to the average American.

Convincing a large part of the population to change won't work if the suits up high don't make major shifts first. Mainstream consumers won't do it if it isn't affordable and easy to do.

[The SnowShow]

JFC: Pakistan bridge collapse

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-61392134

[The SnowShow]

120° in Delhi 🥵

[neufox47]

120° in Delhi 🥵

Do parts of India become unsurvivable for the poor with the current infrastructure?

[WMD]

Yes. There will be many deaths from the current heatwave, and this will only get worse.

[subtle plague]

Do parts of India become unsurvivable for the poor with the current infrastructure?

As long as it Stays dry pre monsoon heat you can cool yourself, even at 50 degrees. The Persian gulf has predictions of reaching a wet bulb temp of 38 degrees in certain weather patterns by 2050, which means unsurviable.

[LegoSkier]

Sort of like the first chapter of Ministry for the Future
https://www.orbitbooks.net/orbit-exc...or-the-future/
Life beginning to imitate art unfortunately.

[WMD]

As long as it Stays dry pre monsoon heat you can cool yourself, even at 50 degrees. The Persian gulf has predictions of reaching a wet bulb temp of 38 degrees in certain weather patterns by 2050, which means unsurviable.

Yes, as long as wet bulb temperatures stay below 35C it isn't necessarily fatal to spend time outside, but many people will still die at 45-50C.

More than 5 million people die each year globally because of excessively hot or cold conditions, a 20-year study has found – and heat-related deaths are on the rise.
The study involving dozens of scientists around the world found that 9.4% of global deaths each year are attributable to heat or cold exposure, equivalent to 74 extra deaths per 100,000 people.
It’s prompted calls for better housing insulation and more solar-powered air conditioning, as well as warnings that climate change will increase temperature-linked deaths in the future.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...ng-study-finds

[SumJongGuy]

Oh come on.. this is not unprecedented by any measure.. Temps were hotter and for longer periods of time when the earth was a blob of flaming molten rock..

[The SnowShow]

Seems as good a place as any to put this down: Heatwave: Fires blaze after UK passes 40C for first time



My part of the world is used to these kinds of temps in summer, but we've built for it, expect it and know how to live with it. The fact that the UK is now experiencing similar temps is sobering.

Sobering and terrifying. World governments need to declare emergencies now. This lack of coordinated, meaningful action is enraging.

[WMD]

Sobering and terrifying. World governments need to declare emergencies now. This lack of coordinated, meaningful action is enraging.

The US government should do this. But we aren't and probably won't.

These heatwaves are not the "new normal." They are just a phase we are passing through on our way to wherever we end up when we finally get to net zero emissions. Right now emissions are still increasing...

[up an down]

The US government should do this. But we aren't and probably won't.

These heatwaves are not the "new normal." They are just a phase we are passing through on our way to wherever we end up when we finally get to net zero emissions. Right now emissions are still increasing...

Yes.. Enjoy your beach vacations in the next decade before the beaches are submerged.. And try to see glaciers while they still exist.

[The SnowShow]

The US government should do this. But we aren't and probably won't.

These heatwaves are not the "new normal." They are just a phase we are passing through on our way to wherever we end up when we finally get to net zero emissions. Right now emissions are still increasing...

How are we getting to net zero emissions continuing down this path?

[mcphee]

^a combination of hemming/hawing and kicking/screaming

[The SnowShow]

I’m serious though, what’s it going to take? Entire continents on fire, under water and millions dying before governments decide, hey, maybe we need to mobilize!

[mcphee]

^nationalizing the oil, defense, and energy transmission industries would be my guess. Not sure why we ever thought that big business left to it’s own devices would be good environmental/social stewards.

[SumJongGuy]

I’m serious though, what’s it going to take? Entire continents on fire, under water and millions dying before governments decide, hey, maybe we need to mobilize!

That's kinda like expecting common sense gun regulation after Columbine...after Sandy Hook.. after the next one... after the next one.. etc... We're at the mercy of the American Taliban. It's getting worse and quickly..

[WMD]

How are we getting to net zero emissions continuing down this path?

We aren't. And that is why this is so crazy. The important point is that until we do get to net zero, warming will continue to increase. It is only when we reach net zero (or soon thereafter) that warming will stop. But there's no going back. The warming we've already experienced, and will experience as we continue to emit GHG's, will be baked in.

We actually have the technology to address this to cut emissions in half this decade, and that helps us have time to find solutions for the last parts we haven't figured out yet. But we aren't deploying current solutions anywhere near fast enough to decrease emissions. It's madness that we aren't doing this.

And to Joe Fuckwad Manchin, the Manchinian candidate, "The economy is a wholly owned subsidiary of the environment. Fixating on short term growth while the parent company teeters on the brink of collapse is as myopic as it is negligent." Quote from random tweet.

[jonesy]

Perhaps there is more involved with climate change than net zero. Who's to say what will be deciding factors in earth's temperatures.

[californiagrown]

People are aggressively resistant to change until they are directly and acutely impacted. The same reason why obesity is such a problem is the same reason why anthropogenic climate change is a problem:

Most people will sacrifice tomorrow to feel good today. On a macro scale as a society, as well as on a micro scale in peoples personal lives. Delayed gratification is rare and is the root cause of many/most of our problems as a species. Its leftover from when we were literally living day-to-day just trying to survive each day.