Climate Change

[east or bust]

Earth Day bump.

There are some good before after slides on google's home page from various regions today. Snow/glaciers receding, coral dying, forests drying up...

https://www.google.com/


It makes one wonder if we'll see desertification of regions within the US over the course of our lifetimes (boomers not included).

[The SnowShow]

86°, 60 MPH winds, dust blowing, extreme fire warning in Denver metro earth day bump.

[WMD]

Unfortunately the earth can't sustain 8 billion people and growing with any kind of lifestyle we are used to. Human induced climate change is one of several issues related to overpopulation. I'm not optimistic for a good solution.

The earth can't support 8 billion people who live like we do, that's for sure. But not everyone lives like us. An average US refrigerator emits more CO2 annually than the average person in several African nations.



According to reporting in the NYTime the latest IPCC report (April 2022) says: "On the whole, it is the richest people and wealthiest nations that are heating up the planet. Worldwide, the richest 10 percent of households are responsible for between a third to nearly half of all greenhouse gas emissions, according to the report. The poorest 50 percent of households contribute around 15 percent of emissions."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/04/c...e=articleShare

[WMD]

Earth Day bump.

There are some good before after slides on google's home page from various regions today. Snow/glaciers receding, coral dying, forests drying up...

https://www.google.com/


It makes one wonder if we'll see desertification of regions within the US over the course of our lifetimes (boomers not included).

We are most likely going to surpass 1.5C of warming around 2032 and 2C before 2050. We are going to see all kinds of crazy things. Even the boomers.

[The SnowShow]

We are most likely going to surpass 1.5C of warming around 2032 and 2C before 2050. We are going to see all kinds of crazy things. Even the boomers.

I’ve been having climate change anxiety over this fact. We need this huge global effort even just to reduce the potential horrors and we couldn’t even join together as a country to fight Covid.

[Core Shot]

The energy consumption of one person’s skier day is approximately
20 kilowatt-hours, which is in the same league with, for example, one day at a spa or two weeks’ energy consumption of a fridge-freezer. The energy consump- tion of a ski resort includes the energy consumption of snowmaking and mainte- nance of the slopes, ski lifts and lighting, as well as the maintenance and service buildings in slope operations.

[Bunion 2020]

FWIW, good spot on PBS this week about the renewed interest in Hydrogen fuel cells.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/co...-of-the-future

Abridged version: Hydrogen has the potential to be produced on a large scale using available Solar and Wind instead of the older methane intensive production.

But when people looked under the hood, they were less impressed with the idea. After all, most hydrogen is produced with methane. So there really was nothing climate-friendly about hydrogen.

You could probably say it was a little bit of greenwashing.

Jack Brouwer:

Yes, I would agree with that. And it kind of tainted hydrogen a bit, if you will, as something that enables fossil to keep going.

Miles O’Brien:

But they never stopped going here and now are drawing renewed attention and funding. The reason? Cheap and increasingly plentiful wind and solar power generation make it possible to employ renewable electricity to split water molecules, making hydrogen carbon-free, so-called green hydrogen.

Is there currently a hydrogen renaissance, in your view?

Jack Brouwer:

Absolutely, there is. Almost all jurisdictions that have objectively considered, how do we achieve zero emissions in all end uses, they have come to realize that the features of hydrogen are required for making all of those sectors zero emissions.

[oldnew_guy]

I’ve been having climate change anxiety over this fact. We need this huge global effort even just to reduce the potential horrors and we couldn’t even join together as a country to fight Covid.

Makes it hard to plan for the future for sure.

Where to move, skills, resources, kids, etc.

Maybe ignorance is bliss?

[oldnew_guy]

The energy consumption of one person’s skier day is approximately
20 kilowatt-hours, which is in the same league with, for example, one day at a spa or two weeks’ energy consumption of a fridge-freezer. The energy consump- tion of a ski resort includes the energy consumption of snowmaking and mainte- nance of the slopes, ski lifts and lighting, as well as the maintenance and service buildings in slope operations.

Certainly something I think about when I take the kids skiing. That and if I should be teaching them a sport that might not be around by the time they are 30.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

There’s no way that we reach a global consensus and do anything to mitigate the effects of climate change. Look around, no one cares other than bitching about the weather and high fuel prices. I feel bad for my children.


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[oldnew_guy]

There’s no way that we reach a global consensus and do anything to mitigate the effects of climate change. Look around, no one cares other than bitching about the weather and high fuel prices. I feel bad for my children.


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Realistically we don’t need global consensus, we need the largest producers to act.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Realistically we don’t need global consensus, we need the largest producers to act.

Look around, it’s not happening


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[oldnew_guy]

Look around, it’s not happening


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Well, yeah….

[WMD]

Realistically we don’t need global consensus, we need the largest producers to act.

And prices of renewables have fallen so fast they are now often the cheapest source of electricity. Market forces will react too slowly but might make the conversion to renewables inevitable.

[WMD]

Certainly something I think about when I take the kids skiing. That and if I should be teaching them a sport that might not be around by the time they are 30.

Me too. We bought an EV at least partly to drive to ski - I personally don't want my traveling to ski to contribute to the end of skiing. And I wonder all the time if we should get our kids hooked on this sport. Then it think it is probably "better to have loved and lost than never have loved at all."

[SuperFun]

Sorry if this has already been posted. If you want to reduce/eliminate/or more than offset your carbon impact:
1. There's online calculators that help you estimate your carbon footprint. They'll come up with a monthly dollar amount you can spend to offset your footprint. But the ones I found/used I didn't like the charity they were involved with as much as the one below.
2. Once I had the monthly amount I setup a monthly recurring contribution to https://native.eco/ They are very well rated with low overhead costs and allow you to pick which projects your money goes to. I picked one that helped people in Africa get education and healthcare so they don't have to clear cut forests for money.
Some people complain about the principle of offset programs, but this free market solution is the most efficient way to deal with the issue. I could do everything to cut my personal footprint but I could never eliminate it, and the more I reduce the more expensive it gets. It's much more efficient to help reduce carbon elsewhere, because it's more low hanging fruit.

[skivan]

Yes! And you can always use an offset ratio higher than your calculated footprint to make sure. I like cooleffect.org and project drawdown for what/where solutions are most cost-effective ie best return on your $ in terms of GHG reduction.

[The SnowShow]

I have to laugh when my social media is full of outdoor athletes who post 50% of the time about the emergency that is climate change (and usually come off very smug), yet are constantly off on their next adventure across the globe. Lower 48 to AK to Switzerland to Norway to Antarctica to _____. I know this has been beaten to death but it’s laughable. Their carbon footprints are ridiculous and that’s why they can’t get a leg up on making any major change. How can the average American really feel like they should change their ways when they see these people living the lives they do but are yelling at everyone else to change?

[jonesy]

Nothing will change till it has to change.

[kathleenturneroverdrive]

I have to laugh when my social media is full of outdoor athletes who post 50% of the time about the emergency that is climate change (and usually come off very smug), yet are constantly off on their next adventure across the globe. Lower 48 to AK to Switzerland to Norway to Antarctica to _____. I know this has been beaten to death but it’s laughable. Their carbon footprints are ridiculous and that’s why they can’t get a leg up on making any major change. How can the average American really feel like they should change their ways when they see these people living the lives they do but are yelling at everyone else to change?

I couldn’t care less about those people. Imagine being the head of a company that’s a massive contributor to global warming who wants to fight tooth and nail to keep pumping out greenhouse gases. You’d be so stoked reading about your opposition eating themselves alive with self defeating purity tests.

[The SnowShow]

I couldn’t care less about those people. Imagine being the head of a company that’s a massive contributor to global warming who wants to fight tooth and nail to keep pumping out greenhouse gases. You’d be so stoked reading about your opposition eating themselves alive with self defeating purity tests.

Good point.

[PB]

Nothing will change till it's too late.

FIFY

[PB]

I'm doing my part by not flying to Gulmarg/South America/ Iceland. Only domestic for me!!!

[WMD]

I couldn’t care less about those people. Imagine being the head of a company that’s a massive contributor to global warming who wants to fight tooth and nail to keep pumping out greenhouse gases. You’d be so stoked reading about your opposition eating themselves alive with self defeating purity tests.

Yep.

"Just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global emissions, study says
A relatively small number of fossil fuel producers and their investors could hold the key to tackling climate change"

https://amp.theguardian.com/sustaina...climate-change

[raisingarizona13]

Yep.

"Just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global emissions, study says
A relatively small number of fossil fuel producers and their investors could hold the key to tackling climate change"

https://amp.theguardian.com/sustaina...climate-change

Are those companies responsible for the emissions or is it on us for continuing to consume their products?