Climate Change

[SnowMachine]

Agree it's not a doomsday scenario. I'd be a lot more worried about climate cooling than warming. Humans are very adaptable and not naturally suited to cold.

And we got 99 problems but finding space to bury garbage ain't one of them. Garbage in the ocean is a big problem though, much better to put plastics in the ground.

Much better to eliminate as much plastic as possible, and I'm not talking about straws.

In Mexico they refill soda bottles (like we used to). Simple. Elegant.

We need solutions like those..... And cars that aren't planned to be obsolete in 10 years and TV's that don't need to be replaced every 5 years, etc, etc....

My current pet peeve is people (my parents) giving my kids gifts that will go in the garbage in 6 months.

[raisingarizona13]

I'm sick of Old Goat's elitist and racist wishing death on innocent and poor people. He blames overpopulation on developing countries and celebrates mass death through war and catastrophe. The biggest environmental crises on the planet are caused by overconsumption of the wealthy, which includes everyone on this forum. Wishing for and celebrating mass death of innocent people who did not cause these crises is not ok.

I don't wish OG to hurt himself or anyone else. I just want to stop celebrating deaths of poor people everywhere. I said if he believes this so strongly (as stated in many posts on this thread), then be a martyr and sacrifice personally.

This is extremely dramatic.

[raisingarizona13]

It's a problem. If everyone in the world stopped having babies, no doubt there would be severe disrputions with only old people left on the planet. While I see overpopulation as a huge problem I don't see how any country, let alone every country, could have done anything to prevent it or could do much about it now. There was a seriousl climate scientist who predicted that by the end of the century the human population will be 150 M, all living above the arctic circle, so I guess between war, disease, and natural disaster the problem will take care of itself. He didn't say what would happen to all the other living creatures. I read that years ago and I've been unable to find the source again, so you'll have to take my word for it (and of course that's just one of many possible scenarios.)

Climate change is simply the planets solution to the human encroachment problem.

[fomofo]

Climate change is simply the planets solution to the human encroachment problem.

As my girlfriend likes to say: flea bath!

[Trackhead]

Climate change is simply the planets solution to the human encroachment problem.

It’s also just a big universe and to think things (climate/human existence) will remain static/exist forever is just folly.

Disclaimer: Yes, I believe in anthropogenic climate change.

[old goat]

It’s also just a big universe and to think things (climate/human existence) will remain static/exist forever is just folly.

Disclaimer: Yes, I believe in anthropogenic climate change.

In the long run, everything is folly. But it would have been nice for the human species to last as long as the dinosaurs. I doubt we'll make it to a million.

[PB]

Our best chance for a long run is as pets of our AI Overlords.

[Trackhead]

In the long run, everything is folly. But it would have been nice for the human species to last as long as the dinosaurs. I doubt we'll make it to a million.

Agree. As we approach philosophy and the meaning of life. If nothing else, cleaner air is more pleasant to breath.

Remember cars with carburetors? Holy hell they stink. Fuel injection alone was a huge step forward.

[mcski]

I don't wish OG, or anyone, harm or death and I implore you to stop celebrating the deaths of innocent people.

Better?

User name does NOT check out. Do better

[mcski]

On a population discussion, in a perfect world how would that be achieved without a collapse of CAPITALISM ? South Korea is kind of the canary in the coal mine/ tip of the ice berg.

FIFY.

Logan’s Run had Farrah Fawcett. Incentives work

[Dantheman]

On a population discussion, in a perfect world how would that be achieved without a collapse of society?

Slowly, very slowly, like TFR 2.0-2.05 slowly. We'll also have to create a fundamentally different economic system that doesn't require constant growth to not collapse on itself like a dying star, but we can cross that bridge when we come to it.

Agree. As we approach philosophy and the meaning of life. If nothing else, cleaner air is more pleasant to breath.

Remember cars with carburetors? Holy hell they stink. Fuel injection alone was a huge step forward.

[Trackhead]

FIFY.

Logan’s Run had Farrah Fawcett. Incentives work

Please discuss your population hypothesis in greater detail please.

[mcski]

Please discuss your population hypothesis in greater detail please.

How’s this for detail?

[westoxified]

well shit, that's gonna stimulate some growth

this was a depressing read:

[Buzzworthy]

He's right though

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Actually he’s nothing but a useless troll.

[Trackhead]

How’s this for detail?

That's gonna cause a population increase....unless it's just the poster on bedroom wall every 8th grader had in the 1980s.

[Mofro261]

You guys paying attention to the rapid decline in birthrate since just 2010? We were 2.0-2.1 from 1990-2007, then declining 2-3%/yr, now down to 1.6 this year.

USA is already in population decline as of 2024, without immigration. We'll add 40-50 million people in the next 40-50yrs, about 1/3 the growth in the last 40-50.

What say ye population wingers? Kids these days don't want kids.

[Buzzworthy]

Kids these days don't want kids.

I really want to be a grandfather. It is looking very likely I will not get to enjoy my wish as my daughter is in this boat. Hoping things change as she matures.

[mcski]

That's gonna cause a population increase....unless it's just the poster on bedroom wall every 8th grader had in the 1980s.

You need to review the premise of Logan’s Run

[skaredshtles]

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What say ye population wingers? Kids these days don't want kids.

I've been counseling my kids since they were young that kids are a PITA.

We'll see if it has stuck.

[Trackhead]

You need to review the premise of Logan’s Run

I won't do that.

[pfluffenmeister]

You need to review the premise of Logan’s Run

Floating disco dancing?

[neufox47]

To reduce birth rates you need ... more access to television (The Association of Television and Radio with Reproductive Behavior). Keep the men distracted with reruns of Baywatch.

On a different note - a recent 485 million year temperature reconstruction indicates that we're at the coldest time in the last half a billion year.

According to that study the climate sensitivity of the earth is 8C per doubling of CO2, meaning we have already created 4 degrees of warming it just hasn’t had time to kick in yet [emoji24]


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[Bunion 2020]

#1. Can we all agree that Climate change is real and not a hoax?

Then we can discuss the causation.

[Trackhead]

#1. Can we all agree that Climate change is real and not a hoax?

Then we can discuss the causation.

It's real, today.

I think the eternal debate is how much of it is anthropogenic versus natural evolution. Like all things in "science", our understanding is not concrete or determined, but evolving. We see this every decade in healthcare, what we assume as beneficial one decade, is proven useless in the next.

One can, in the same breath, advocate for less carbon emissions, but also wonder and remain curious about how much is truly anthropogenic, without being a "climate denier".