Climate Change

[Trackhead]

On a population discussion, in a perfect world how would that be achieved without a collapse of society? South Korea is kind of the canary in the coal mine/ tip of the ice berg.

[BCMtnHound]

Health care, female education and empowerment, and a sense of community has always been the solution to unsustainable population growth.

[old goat]

On a population discussion, in a perfect world how would that be achieved without a collapse of society? South Korea is kind of the canary in the coal mine/ tip of the ice berg.

It's a problem. If everyone in the world stopped having babies, no doubt there would be severe disrputions with only old people left on the planet. While I see overpopulation as a huge problem I don't see how any country, let alone every country, could have done anything to prevent it or could do much about it now. There was a seriousl climate scientist who predicted that by the end of the century the human population will be 150 M, all living above the arctic circle, so I guess between war, disease, and natural disaster the problem will take care of itself. He didn't say what would happen to all the other living creatures. I read that years ago and I've been unable to find the source again, so you'll have to take my word for it (and of course that's just one of many possible scenarios.)

[WMD]

Do you know what a joke is? Seriously though, population growth is a problem but if you’re lacking a sense of humor maybe you should kill yourself and your family. Typing that out feels terrible I’m not sure why it was so easy for you.




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I'm sick of Old Goat's elitist and racist wishing death on innocent and poor people. He blames overpopulation on developing countries and celebrates mass death through war and catastrophe. The biggest environmental crises on the planet are caused by overconsumption of the wealthy, which includes everyone on this forum. Wishing for and celebrating mass death of innocent people who did not cause these crises is not ok.

I don't wish OG to hurt himself or anyone else. I just want to stop celebrating deaths of poor people everywhere. I said if he believes this so strongly (as stated in many posts on this thread), then be a martyr and sacrifice personally.

[WMD]

There was a seriousl climate scientist who predicted that by the end of the century the human population will be 150 M, all living above the arctic circle, so I guess between war, disease, and natural disaster the problem will take care of itself. He didn't say what would happen to all the other living creatures. I read that years ago and I've been unable to find the source again, so you'll have to take my word for it (and of course that's just one of many possible scenarios.)

This scenario is possible, but it's what we should be trying to avoid. That is collapse, and it is the worst case outcome. Why give a fuck about climate change or other issues if we don't care about life? We care about these crises because we support life of humans and other species. Why not aim for a better future that enhances life for all?

[BCMtnHound]

He blames overpopulation on developing countries and celebrates mass death through war and catastrophe… Wishing for and celebrating mass death of innocent people who did not cause these crises is not ok.

1st No, he did not.

2nd Absolutely. No one is wishing this here

[WMD]

1st No, he did not.

2nd Absolutely. No one is wishing this here

He has a lot on this thread.

[old goat]

WMD--

In the first place, if anyone is to be slaughtered it should be Americans, since we use far more than our share of the earth's resources. But I do not advocate killing people as a solution for overpopulation. I have no solution for overpopulation.

In the second place, while I believe overpopulation to be an insurmountable obstacle to solving the climate crisis, I try to be optimistic nonetheless. I have a grandchild I would hope will grow up in a decent world. (While we have 2 sons, there is only 1 grandchild and there may be at most one more, so I guess our family is sort of doing our part?)

In the third place I was no fan of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I marched against them. I marched against the war in Viet Nam. I am no fan of American imperialism. I do have a son who is an AF surgeon who deploys with special operators and I do not wish him to be in harm's way. (He was deployed to Kabul for the evacuation and operated on the bombing victims. He was on the last plane out.)

In the 4th place, I might suggest you check your sarcasm meter but I doubt you ever had one. It must be hell to go through life without sarcasm and irony. They make the unbearable bearable.

In the 5th place, go fuck yourself. But don't fuck anyone else--we don't need more babies.

[WMD]

WMD--

In the first place, if anyone is to be slaughtered it should be Americans, since we use far more than our share of the earth's resources. But I do not advocate killing people as a solution for overpopulation. I have no solution for overpopulation.

In the second place, while I believe overpopulation to be an insurmountable obstacle to solving the climate crisis, I try to be optimistic nonetheless. I have a grandchild I would hope will grow up in a decent world. (While we have 2 sons, there is only 1 grandchild and there may be at most one more, so I guess our family is sort of doing our part?)

In the third place I was no fan of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I marched against them. I marched against the war in Viet Nam. I am no fan of American imperialism. I do have a son who is an AF surgeon who deploys with special operators and I do not wish him to be in harm's way. (He was deployed to Kabul for the evacuation and operated on the bombing victims. He was on the last plane out.)

In the 4th place, I might suggest you check your sarcasm meter but I doubt you ever had one. It must be hell to go through life without sarcasm and irony. They make the unbearable bearable.

In the 5th place, go fuck yourself. But don't fuck anyone else--we don't need more babies.

I appreciate your post. Thanks.

If you/we don't have a solution for overpopulation, I suggest we focus on the problems we do have solutions for. Continually focusing on the things we can't do anything about makes it seem useless to address anything else. And blaming poor people in less developed countries keeps us from looking at the real problem - us. The planet could sustain 7-10 billion people living like sub-Saharan Africans better than it can 350 million people living like us. We are the problem, and thus we can be the solution.

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[MagnificentUnicorn]

I appreciate your post. Thanks.

If you/we don't have a solution for overpopulation, I suggest we focus on the problems we do have solutions for. Continually focusing on the things we can't do anything about makes it seem useless to address anything else. And blaming poor people in less developed countries keeps us from looking at the real problem - us. The planet could sustain 7-10 billion people living like sub-Saharan Africans better than it can 350 million people living like us. We are the problem, and thus we can be the solution.

At this point there’s no solution for climate change, between natural cycles and the damage we’ve done to exacerbate a warming climate, to think we can stop climate change or turn it around is hubris. That’s how we got here in the first place. We need to focus on how to survive in a changing climate not trying to change the climate.


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[SnowMachine]

At this point there’s no solution for climate change, between natural cycles and the damage we’ve done to exacerbate a warming climate, to think we can stop climate change or turn it around is hubris. That’s how we got here in the first place. We need to focus on how to survive in a changing climate not trying to change the climate.


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Not necessarily true according to some climate scientists. There are folks that believe we've essentially stopped the warming. Reversing it will take far most steps. Listen to the Blister podcast episode 323.

1st world populations are in decline. I strongly believe this is why immigration is unchecked in the a lot of the western world. You simply cannot grow economies without growing populations.

The 1st world is responsible for over consumption via the second/third world. We buy rubber dog shit, they build it with no environmental regs. We are conditioned to consume and do it at the lowest possible price.

The entire world is responsible for throwing garbage in the ocean and burying it.

I actually think that there is a ton of low hanging fruit here. It starts with education and mindset shift. We cannot be ok with everything being disposable.

Technology will take us a long way, too. Right now electric everything may not be the answer because we cannot effectively store energy, but new battery tech is coming and it will be an enormous step.

A lot of folks are very negative. I'm quite positive. There's a lot that we can do.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Not necessarily true according to some climate scientists. There are folks that believe we've essentially stopped the warming. Reversing it will take far most steps. Listen to the Blister podcast episode 323.

1st world populations are in decline. I strongly believe this is why immigration is unchecked in the a lot of the western world. You simply cannot grow economies without growing populations.

The 1st world is responsible for over consumption via the second/third world. We buy rubber dog shit, they build it with no environmental regs. We are conditioned to consume and do it at the lowest possible price.

The entire world is responsible for throwing garbage in the ocean and burying it.

I actually think that there is a ton of low hanging fruit here. It starts with education and mindset shift. We cannot be ok with everything being disposable.

Technology will take us a long way, too. Right now electric everything may not be the answer because we cannot effectively store energy, but new battery tech is coming and it will be an enormous step.

A lot of folks are very negative. I'm quite positive. There's a lot that we can do.

So basically learning to live with climate change and doing our best to live responsibly. I don’t believe climate change is the doomsday scenario many people think. It’s going to require sacrifice and realizing that we need to figure out how to live sustainably.


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[Snow Dog]

Health care, female education and empowerment, and a sense of community has always been the solution to unsustainable population growth.

To reduce birth rates you need ... more access to television (The Association of Television and Radio with Reproductive Behavior). Keep the men distracted with reruns of Baywatch.

On a different note - a recent 485 million year temperature reconstruction indicates that we're at the coldest time in the last half a billion year.

[yeahman]

Agree it's not a doomsday scenario. I'd be a lot more worried about climate cooling than warming. Humans are very adaptable and not naturally suited to cold.

And we got 99 problems but finding space to bury garbage ain't one of them. Garbage in the ocean is a big problem though, much better to put plastics in the ground.

[SnowMachine]

Agree it's not a doomsday scenario. I'd be a lot more worried about climate cooling than warming. Humans are very adaptable and not naturally suited to cold.

And we got 99 problems but finding space to bury garbage ain't one of them. Garbage in the ocean is a big problem though, much better to put plastics in the ground.

Much better to eliminate as much plastic as possible, and I'm not talking about straws.

In Mexico they refill soda bottles (like we used to). Simple. Elegant.

We need solutions like those..... And cars that aren't planned to be obsolete in 10 years and TV's that don't need to be replaced every 5 years, etc, etc....

My current pet peeve is people (my parents) giving my kids gifts that will go in the garbage in 6 months.

[raisingarizona13]

I'm sick of Old Goat's elitist and racist wishing death on innocent and poor people. He blames overpopulation on developing countries and celebrates mass death through war and catastrophe. The biggest environmental crises on the planet are caused by overconsumption of the wealthy, which includes everyone on this forum. Wishing for and celebrating mass death of innocent people who did not cause these crises is not ok.

I don't wish OG to hurt himself or anyone else. I just want to stop celebrating deaths of poor people everywhere. I said if he believes this so strongly (as stated in many posts on this thread), then be a martyr and sacrifice personally.

This is extremely dramatic.

[raisingarizona13]

It's a problem. If everyone in the world stopped having babies, no doubt there would be severe disrputions with only old people left on the planet. While I see overpopulation as a huge problem I don't see how any country, let alone every country, could have done anything to prevent it or could do much about it now. There was a seriousl climate scientist who predicted that by the end of the century the human population will be 150 M, all living above the arctic circle, so I guess between war, disease, and natural disaster the problem will take care of itself. He didn't say what would happen to all the other living creatures. I read that years ago and I've been unable to find the source again, so you'll have to take my word for it (and of course that's just one of many possible scenarios.)

Climate change is simply the planets solution to the human encroachment problem.

[fomofo]

Climate change is simply the planets solution to the human encroachment problem.

As my girlfriend likes to say: flea bath!

[Trackhead]

Climate change is simply the planets solution to the human encroachment problem.

It’s also just a big universe and to think things (climate/human existence) will remain static/exist forever is just folly.

Disclaimer: Yes, I believe in anthropogenic climate change.

[old goat]

It’s also just a big universe and to think things (climate/human existence) will remain static/exist forever is just folly.

Disclaimer: Yes, I believe in anthropogenic climate change.

In the long run, everything is folly. But it would have been nice for the human species to last as long as the dinosaurs. I doubt we'll make it to a million.

[PB]

Our best chance for a long run is as pets of our AI Overlords.

[Trackhead]

In the long run, everything is folly. But it would have been nice for the human species to last as long as the dinosaurs. I doubt we'll make it to a million.

Agree. As we approach philosophy and the meaning of life. If nothing else, cleaner air is more pleasant to breath.

Remember cars with carburetors? Holy hell they stink. Fuel injection alone was a huge step forward.

[mcski]

I don't wish OG, or anyone, harm or death and I implore you to stop celebrating the deaths of innocent people.

Better?

User name does NOT check out. Do better

[mcski]

On a population discussion, in a perfect world how would that be achieved without a collapse of CAPITALISM ? South Korea is kind of the canary in the coal mine/ tip of the ice berg.

FIFY.

Logan’s Run had Farrah Fawcett. Incentives work