Climate Change

[xyz]

Please don’t conflate energy challenges of the 70’s and 80’s with the climate driven weather challenges of the next few decades, well before we even hit the ‘critical’ temp rises we are supposed to avoid with our international agreements. If you think your ‘lifestyle’ isn’t at risk, you are an ostrich. Or very very wealthy, Ms Marie. Result is the same.

If we are talking about the next few decades, the consequences of rapidly decreasing oil production will f up our lifestyles, food security, destabilize the world etc orders of magnitude beyond climate change. People don’t realize how drenched we are in fossil fuels. It’s in everything we know.

[BCMtnHound]

50% of the energy we consume (75% from fossil fuels) is consumed by the top 10% income percentile. That’s most everyone on this forum. Plastics, essential lubricants, and the like make up less than 30% of petroleum products consumption, the rest is burned for energy.
It’s the lifestyle of the fat and privileged that is most at risk. In the near term. We can’t solve a consumption problem by consuming more (tech). But when have the rich ever voluntarily tightened their belts. We have the luxury of choice, the other 90th percentile don’t.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Most everyone on this forum? Top 10% in the US is $173k +. Maybe I’m poor and don’t know it


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[BCMtnHound]

Most everyone on this forum? Top 10% in the US is $173k +. Maybe I’m poor and don’t know it


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Top 10th percentile in the world. That’s about $45,000/yr before taxes. Median world income is only about $7k
That’s the problem with this climate issue - it’s a global phenomenon but we are very poor at evaluating such challenges at the personal level. Comparing ourselves to the Jones is much more important to most.

[old goat]

I agree that technology is the only real answer. Fear mongering and pointing fingers at lifestyles has gotten us no where. Kinda reminds me of my Peak Oil days, like 20 years ago. I was so depressed about it i could barely function. I felt like Sarah Conor in Terminator. I wanted to scream at everyone that we were all doomed, how can you not see the end of the world coming?! But the doomsday talk was pointless. The solution was technology. In this case, fracking and horizontal drilling. Now we have more oil and gas than ever.

Reducing emissions has to go the same way, with technology, not fear and control. But the technology has to be cost competitive, including storage and scalable with fast permitting. Concepts like pumped hydro storage make sense in a laboratory but where is the dam located? What will it cost, how long will it take to construct? Can it be permitted? What is is the pay back period? Same with solar and wind. They work, they are cheap, but they don't work everywhere and storage needs a real world solution that doesn't cost 900 trillion.

The idea that carbon free energy has to be cost competitive assumes that we will depend on voluntary efforts to reduce greenhouse gases. In CA, towns can enact REACH codes that exceed state standards--requiring retrofits of existing houses for example--but only if they are demonstrated to be cost neutral or negative. This will never get us to carbon neutral. Unfortunately, only expensive technology and (primarily) enforced restrictions--like the impending ban on gas lawn equipment--has any chance of getting us there. The magnitude of restrictions that will be necessary in first world countries will be politically unobtainable until catastrophe makes them unavoidable. The strain the Republican nominee for President is putting on our political system will seem trivial by comparison.

[fomofo]

35 minute listen / transcript

How climate-driven migration could change the face of the U.S.

[GrantN]

https://mahb.stanford.edu/wp-content...0-20230131.pdf

[old goat]

https://mahb.stanford.edu/wp-content...0-20230131.pdf

A lot of words to state the obvious.

[Jvhowube]

A lot of words to state the obvious.

Yah. The problem is no one talks about this because it's geopolitical suicide, local political suicide, and as a result, we get faster humanity suicide. There are going to have to be some large-scale catastrophes (they will happen) before it becomes socially acceptable to start talking about contracting the human population / economies / consumption / etc.

[skaredshtles]

Yah. The problem is no one talks about this because it's geopolitical suicide, local political suicide, and as a result, we get faster humanity suicide. There are going to have to be some large-scale catastrophes (they will happen) before it becomes socially acceptable to start talking about contracting the human population / economies / consumption / etc.

Cat-6 hurricane wipes out most of Florida?

[BCMtnHound]

Cat-6 hurricane wipes out most of Florida?

Quit dwelling on the positive. There’s a lot of negative too, like our diminishing seasonal snowpack.

[skaredshtles]

Quit dwelling on the positive. There’s a lot of negative too, like our diminishing seasonal snowpack.

I laft.

[xyz]

Plenty of good things happening on the climate front. Taylor Swift downsized her private jet fleet!

https://www.businessinsider.com/tayl...ate-jet-2024-2

I expect many other climate warriors to do the same. Not because they actually care about the climate but because their jets can be tracked. Leasing is more private.


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[Trackhead]

But she bought carbon credits so it’s all ok

[old goat]

Carbon credits=recycling for rich people

[xyz]

So the politicians and the rich force us to eat crickets, pay carbon taxes limit travel etc while they dine on wagu on private jets because they can afford carbon offsets. Yeah they can Fuk right off lol. And I’m sure I’ll be watching a Netflix special soon uncovering how offsets are scams that do zero to reduce emissions.


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[Buster Highmen]

xyz, you're a pointless and boring dick

[xyz]

xyz, you're a pointless and boring dick

Here is some more pointless and boring info for you.

Carbon offsetting schemes have been widely criticized for being a scam, with many experts and organizations arguing that they are ineffective in reducing greenhouse gas emissions and are often used as a way for companies to greenwash their image. Here are some reasons why carbon offsetting is considered a scam:

Double counting: Many carbon offset projects allow companies to claim credits for emissions reductions that have already been achieved, or that are not actually happening. This means that the same emissions reductions are counted multiple times, making it difficult to track the actual impact of the offsets.
Unverifiable claims: Carbon offset projects often make unverifiable claims about the emissions reductions they achieve. This makes it difficult to trust that the offsets are actually having a positive impact on the environment.
Lack of transparency: Many carbon offset projects lack transparency about how they calculate their emissions reductions, making it difficult to verify the accuracy of their claims.
Carbon credits are often worthless: A significant percentage of carbon credits are not actually reducing emissions, but are instead being sold as a way for companies to appear environmentally friendly.
Carbon offsetting can actually increase emissions: Some carbon offset projects can actually increase emissions by promoting the use of fossil fuels or other polluting activities.
Carbon offsetting is not a substitute for real climate action: Carbon offsetting is often seen as a way for companies to avoid taking real action to reduce their emissions, rather than making genuine efforts to reduce their environmental impact.
Some notable examples of carbon offset scams include:

The “forest carbon offset” scam, where companies claim to be planting trees to offset their emissions, but in reality, the trees are not being planted or are being cut down.
The “renewable energy” scam, where companies claim to be generating renewable energy to offset their emissions, but in reality, the energy is not being generated or is being used to power polluting activities.
The “carbon credit” scam, where companies claim to be selling carbon credits to offset their emissions, but in reality, the credits are not actually reducing emissions and are being used as a way to make money.
Overall, carbon offsetting is a complex and controversial issue, and many experts argue that it is not a reliable or effective way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

[skaredshtles]

xyz, you're a pointless and boring dick

That's why we ignore him.

[old goat]

He's right about carbon credits though. Well recognized to be bullshit, like recycling.

[WMD]

xyz, you're a pointless and boring dick

He's right about carbon credits though. Well recognized to be bullshit, like recycling.

Two things can be true at once...

[xyz]

He's right about carbon credits though. Well recognized to be bullshit, like recycling.

I’ve never been wrong in this thread. Y’all just don’t like it.

The more I researched about what’s actually happening in the recycling industry the less I recycle. I only recycle glass and cardboard these days. Plastic recycling is just wishful thinking. I’ve been pushing my strata to ditch our recycling because it’s very expensive for us. But people won’t let it go because they don’t want the truth to be true.

Reduce and reuse is best. Wishcyling is just that.

[WMD]

I don't care if I'm right or wrong, I'm just trying to sow doubt. Y’all just don’t like my bullshit games.

FIFY

[nickwm21]

Recycling is a business. Right now you can’t make money collecting plastic, grinding it down and selling pellets. There’s nothing nefarious going on, just economics. One day it might make sense like it does currently for glass, metal, and less so paper…


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[xyz]

Recycling is a business. Right now you can’t make money collecting plastic, grinding it down and selling pellets. There’s nothing nefarious going on, just economics. One day it might make sense like it does currently for glass, metal, and less so paper…


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What was nefarious was when we were selling our recycling to Asia. We are sold a green utopian dream but in reality the plastic ended up in open burn pits or the ocean.


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