Climate Change

[xyz]

I’ve stood in a wind farm among dozens of wind turbines, they’re pretty quiet.


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So your anecdote of hanging out a wind farm for an hour trumps all the scientific research showing the opposite? Ok. Got it.


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[MagnificentUnicorn]

So your anecdote of hanging out a wind farm for an hour trumps all the scientific research showing the opposite? Ok. Got it.


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Link to research that shows wind turbine noise is harmful to humans


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[k2skier112]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4256253/

[PB]

Pleasepleasepleaseplease ..... let it be an Orange Shit Gibbon quote!!!

[SumJongGuy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_spill

[Buster Highmen]

Link to research that shows wind turbine noise is harmful to humans

xyz provided a link to a summary paper indicating that wind turbine could be harmful to wildlife.

What I don't get is the quibbling about perfection.

Virtually all human tech has a detriment of some sort, but every detriment is relative.

So, if some technology reduces greenhouse gases, drilling, mining, refining and transportation of fuel, that's a good thing.

Even the linked paper did not clearly demonstrate significant negative impacts on wildlife; most of the papers conclusions showed the possibility ("can" or "could") of detriments to wildlife.

[xyz]

Link to research that shows wind turbine noise is harmful to humans


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There are lots. It’s all about offset distances from homes. The closer you are obviously the more th impact. It’s difficult to tie a direct line from turbines to a certain disease but it’s like living next to a hwy or not. Constant noise exposure doesn’t lead to good outcomes.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34497296/


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[Buster Highmen]

There are lots. It’s all about offset distances from homes. The closer you are obviously the more th impact. It’s difficult to tie a direct line from turbines to a certain disease but it’s like living next to a hwy or not. Constant noise exposure doesn’t lead to good outcomes.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34497296/
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With that kind of reasoning, we should get rid of leaf blowers first, then all airplanes, all freeways and highways. Not to mention Def Leppard. And rawk music in general.

Again, don't let perfection stand in the way of obvious improvement.

[old goat]

Many more animals will die from climate change than from wind turbines.

[xyz]

With that kind of reasoning, we should get rid of leaf blowers first, then all airplanes, all freeways and highways. Not to mention Def Leppard. And rawk music in general.

Again, don't let perfection stand in the way of obvious improvement.

I’m with you on leaf blowers! They should be illegal.

Would you still be supportive of wind turbine farms if they were in your backyard?


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[Buster Highmen]

I’m with you on leaf blowers! They should be illegal.

Would you still be supportive of wind turbine farms if they were in your backyard?

You're continuing a stupid argument, augmented by the personalization and b00gy mongering.

It's all about choices. I'd sooner have a wind turbine in my back yard than a refinery, a coal plant, a nuclear reactor or a freeway.

And fwiw, I'll take a few nuclear reactors over coal plants.

[telefreewasatch]

qft.

[grinch]

Well explained but the amazing thing is it has to be explained at all/smh

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[uglymoney]

Now that B has easily blown his ridiculousness out of the water he goes on to the next one and then eventually repeats. It is a tired pattern.

Anybody listen to the last Blister with Taos? Will be interesting to see how the electric sleds and hybrid snowcat work out. I think they also have a small all electric cat for small park stuff. Baby steps but someone has to lead.

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[MagnificentUnicorn]

There are lots. It’s all about offset distances from homes. The closer you are obviously the more th impact. It’s difficult to tie a direct line from turbines to a certain disease but it’s like living next to a hwy or not. Constant noise exposure doesn’t lead to good outcomes.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34497296/


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I found this link in your linked article you dolt
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21914211/

Xyz is one of those people that thinks if you believe something is true it must be true, also thinks correlation equals causation.
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[xyz]

Again, don't let perfection stand in the way of obvious improvement.

It’s an improvement,just by one metric. But there are significant downsides when it’s hyped as a panacea.

My general point on wind and solar is their full story is suppressed and ultimately not a real solution. They are inefficient, unreliable and have massive footprints.

The only way out of this is nuclear power. It’s clean, reliable base load power. It has its issues too but it’s the best option.

Every dollar the world waste on virtue signal wind and solar projects is a dollar we could have spent on the real solution, nuclear. Look at Germany, they f’d up so hard by shutting down nukes in favour of wind and solar.


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[MagnificentUnicorn]

It’s an improvement,just by one metric. But there are significant downsides when it’s hyped as a panacea.

My general point on wind and solar is their full story is suppressed and ultimately not a real solution. They are inefficient, unreliable and have massive footprints.

The only way out of this is nuclear power. It’s clean, reliable base load power. It has its issues too but it’s the best option.

Every dollar the world waste on virtue signal wind and solar projects is a dollar we could have spent on the real solution, nuclear. Look at Germany, they f’d up so hard by shutting down nukes in favour of wind and solar.


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Nuclear reactors have the same efficiency as wind turbines, actually less if the wind turbines are in a favorable location. Don’t let facts get in the way of your opinion.

Solar really depends on location but is generally less efficient than wind or nuclear right now. Certain locations can approach >45% efficiency though.

I’m happy to live in a county with two large hydroelectric dams and the lowest electric rates in the country thanks to a PUD and 90% efficient turbines.
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[xyz]

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You should probably do this for the last several pages of your posts as well.

[xyz]

You should probably do this for the last several pages of your posts as well.

Attitudes like yours are why the climate crisis will never be solved.

Fantasy and ideological thinking are why emissions keep climbing.


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[Buster Highmen]

Attitudes like yours are why the climate crisis will never be solved.

Fantasy and ideological thinking are why emissions keep climbing.

Irony right there.

Everything has its downsides. I don't understand your position on wind and solar as being touted as perfection or a success by a single metric. That's awfully simplistic.

I reiterate that they're not, yet there you go, harping on a vacuous position no one has expressed.

This is enough, a waste of my time.

[shroom]

It’s an improvement,just by one metric. But there are significant downsides when it’s hyped as a panacea.

My general point on wind and solar is their full story is suppressed and ultimately not a real solution. They are inefficient, unreliable and have massive footprints.

The only way out of this is nuclear power. It’s clean, reliable base load power. It has its issues too but it’s the best option.

Every dollar the world waste on virtue signal wind and solar projects is a dollar we could have spent on the real solution, nuclear. Look at Germany, they f’d up so hard by shutting down nukes in favour of wind and solar.


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Germany case wasn’t like an in favor swap IIRC

but the point is we probably need them all, and transparent efficiency up the supply chain to implementation is the worlds problem to solve

in the biggest companies there are often several teams solving the same problem from different contexts intentionally. 2 solutions are better than 0 and all of them take r&d

maybe that’s too thick

[AirheadD8]

I’ve stood in a wind farm among dozens of wind turbines, they’re pretty quiet.


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Just don’t hang around wind farms during ice storms.

So in a few millenniums birds will evolve loosing their ability to fly in order to survive?

Humans are on the way out, we’re obsolete. We are slowly being replaced by machines.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Just don’t hang around wind farms during ice storms.

So in a few millenniums birds will evolve loosing their ability to fly in order to survive?

Humans are on the way out, we’re obsolete. We are slowly being replaced by machines.

Why would birds evolve losing their ability to fly? The birds seem to be do really well, I’ve seen more birds and more variety of birds than I ever have in my 55 years.

That last paragraph is a head scratcher in regards to wind machines Don Quixote


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[Buzzworthy]

Attitudes like yours are why the climate crisis will never be solved.

Fantasy and ideological thinking are why emissions keep climbing.


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Ok troll.