Climate Change

[BCMtnHound]

Rise in global heat, and the effects of increased energy in the system on the water cycle is really scary. I work with teams and individuals that are tasked with responding to both climate and weather influences in providing resources and benefits to our society, and the uncertainty of our plans to mitigate the impacts on our land management and resource needs is very troubling already. The increase in changes from traditional certainties seem to be happening so fast and tenders recovery and mitigation plans moot. And this is in a relatively safe and unmodified (by human influence) ecosystem by world standards.

The solutions are not ‘impossible’, but highly improbable given our need for ever-increasing economic growth. We really need to flatline our consumption, but the wealthiest of the world’s population is supported by the return on their monetary investments, with requires positive growth by our industries. I am a part of that, given my investments and pension, to at least maintain my ‘standard of living’, but what are the alternatives for those that remain in the latter half of this century (or sooner - I will not likely suffer the effects directly as I will be fortunate(?) to live past 2050)?

As for those who think a homestead along with weapons will secure their future, guess again. As it always has been, our collective combined effort is what has always sustained the family unit (and adaptability to move to greener pastures when persecution exceeds capacity to defend). Without community, we perish as a society. Period. Funny, but it is the amish, hutterites and the like that are more like the model we should be following as a society to limit inputs to climate change. Ya, good luck given our need for the Walmarts and Carnival Cruises of society (and adrenaline-inducing lift-assisted downhill skiing).

And finally, kids aren’t the problem - we start at birth with unlimited potential to change the world for the better - it’s us adults who have past the point of potential to effect real change that are the assholes. Overpopulation is a problem only when we only raise kids to be adults in our corrupted image (and those adults perpetuate the cycle). Certainly don’t blame the kids in China or India - they exist at the levels they do to support our western societies.

[xyz]

I'm sure your math would be great news for the folks in the Solomon Islands. You should explain it to them. I read the news today, oh boy

…”the study shows a large increase the area of atoll islands, with 61.74 km2 of land added between 2000 and 2017

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...13305421000059


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[WMD]

…”the study shows a large increase the area of atoll islands, with 61.74 km2 of land added between 2000 and 2017

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...13305421000059


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From your same article: "Most of the change in land area resulted from island building within the Maldives and on atolls in the South China Sea. Since 2000, the Maldives have added 37.50 km2 of land area, while 16.57 km2 of new islands have appeared within the South China Seas Spratly and Paracel chains."

How does the fact that new islands are forming in some places counter the fact that human settlements are being heavily impacted by sea level rise?

This not an honest or innocent argument from xyz. Nobody randomly finds a science direct article about island building in the South Pacific when trying to simply explore climate impacts.

Don't feed the troll!

[uglymoney]

An interesting thought I've had is how a lot of the pro vaccine/mask people are often also extremely left and concerned with global warming. It seems to me that the biggest problem linked to climate change is the fact that there's WAY too many people on this planet and that's the root of the climate crisis.

You seem at least as concerned about climate as most and are doing what you can to live with yourself by having a small footprint.

Hard to argue that we have too many people on the planet, but that isn't the root of the problem. 95% of the people could die tmmrw and we'd still be completely fucked because it is a small percentage of people producing most of the problem and an even smaller percentage working overtime to prevent us from taking meaningful action that would lower our impact.

Masks and vaccines were/are about hope for a vibrant healthy tomorrow, individuals and the collective taking action so society can move forward with less impactful disease ravaging society. Same with trying to effect change for the climate on an individual or more effectively on a collective level. Hope for tomorrow.

I see that crossover pretty clearly. Not surprising a lot of us are in both groups.

Guns aren't doing shit once climate effects cause societal breakdown and collapses. The fascists and authoritarian will remove guns and folk will be forced to consent, or die. Just my opinion. Once we can't vote or those votes don't count the constitution dies and with it the 2nd amendment. My guns are for hunting. My dehydrator is for backpacking food.

Best hope seems to be advocating for action on climate so society doesn't break down and voting for people who need hope in their lives like I do.

[The AD]

The notion that since we're unlikely to achieve net zero emissions globally we might as well just give up seems pretty fucking lame to me. Anything we can do will help. Take the steps we can now and hope for (and foster) technological improvements in the future that could help even more.

[raisingarizona13]

You seem at least as concerned about climate as most and are doing what you can to live with yourself by having a small footprint.

Hard to argue that we have too many people on the planet, but that isn't the root of the problem. 95% of the people could die tmmrw and we'd still be completely fucked because it is a small percentage of people producing most of the problem and an even smaller percentage working overtime to prevent us from taking meaningful action that would lower our impact.

Masks and vaccines were/are about hope for a vibrant healthy tomorrow, individuals and the collective taking action so society can move forward with less impactful disease ravaging society. Same with trying to effect change for the climate on an individual or more effectively on a collective level. Hope for tomorrow.

I see that crossover pretty clearly. Not surprising a lot of us are in both groups.

Guns aren't doing shit once climate effects cause societal breakdown and collapses. The fascists and authoritarian will remove guns and folk will be forced to consent, or die. Just my opinion. Once we can't vote or those votes don't count the constitution dies and with it the 2nd amendment. My guns are for hunting. My dehydrator is for backpacking food.

Best hope seems to be advocating for action on climate so society doesn't break down and voting for people who need hope in their lives like I do.

I definitely disagree on population. There's too many people and that's having the biggest impact on climate right now. I can't see how anyone could argue against that. We all consume and produce. If we shaved off a few billion it would have a massive positive affect on our environment.

Disease ravaging society may be natures way of trying to keep us in check. That's nature. Religious people and our human egos like to have us believe we are superior in some way but we ain't shit but more life forms eating and shitting everywhere we go just like every other animal on this globe but we somehow developed brains just big enough to create a whole bunch of chaos. It's an unpopular opinion but many will have to die before this shit show becomes balanced in any sort of way. World pees is joke and the human power struggle will never go away. We are all 138 and we are all filthy, dirty killing machines under the proper circumstances. My mask comment is me joking, well sort of.

Guns? Well at least I get a chance at fighting the authoritarian regimes that will be taking over. I'd rather die fighting than roll over in my new "comforting" cage.

[old goat]

From your same article: "Most of the change in land area resulted from island building within the Maldives and on atolls in the South China Sea. Since 2000, the Maldives have added 37.50 km2 of land area, while 16.57 km2 of new islands have appeared within the South China Seas Spratly and Paracel chains."

How does the fact that new islands are forming in some places counter the fact that human settlements are being heavily impacted by sea level rise?

This not an honest or innocent argument from xyz. Nobody randomly finds a science direct article about island building in the South Pacific when trying to simply explore climate impacts.

Don't feed the troll!

The causes of island "building"are rising ocean temps that have killed the coral reefs which break down into debris which is then washed up on shore and becomes new land, the Chinese building military bases on islands that aren't theirs, and land reclamation projects. Not benign natural island building.

I imagine the island of Hawaii has grown a bit naturally though, although vulcanism does add to atmospheric CO2. On Nova--the great Permian extinction, by far the biggest extinction to date, was due to a massive increase in vulcanism leading to enough CO2 to raise temps about 18 degrees. And that die-off occured in the blink of a geological eye--only a few hundred thousand years.

[uglymoney]

I definitely disagree on population. There's too many people and that's having the biggest impact on climate right now. I can't see how anyone could argue against that. We all consume and produce. If we shaved off a few billion it would have a massive positive affect on our environment.

Disease ravaging society may be natures way of trying to keep us in check. That's nature. Religious people and our human egos like to have us believe we are superior in some way but we ain't shit but more life forms eating and shitting everywhere we go just like every other animal on this globe but we somehow developed brains just big enough to create a whole bunch of chaos. It's an unpopular opinion but many will have to die before this shit show becomes balanced in any sort of way. World pees is joke and the human power struggle will never go away. We are all 138 and we are all filthy, dirty killing machines under the proper circumstances. My mask comment is me joking, well sort of.

Guns? Well at least I get a chance at fighting the authoritarian regimes that will be taking over. I'd rather die fighting than roll over in my new "comforting" cage.

On that less serious note you referenced, Arizona is a long way from cooler Canada. I'm planning my escape in a Kevlar canoe through the porous boundary waters in Minnesota. Portage packs full of provisions and a Silky saw. Moose and bear and then caribou as we flee towards the balmy salt sprayed shores of Hudson Bay.

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[raisingarizona13]

On that less serious note you referenced, Arizona is a long way from cooler Canada. I'm planning my escape in a Kevlar canoe through the porous boundary waters in Minnesota. Portage packs full of provisions and a Silky saw. Moose and bear and then caribou as we flee towards the balmy salt sprayed shores of Hudson Bay.

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That sounds dreamy except for those damn mosquitos and flies, fak!

[BCMtnHound]

That sounds dreamy except for those damn mosquitos and flies, fak!

I take (limited) solace in the old rhyme: Humans have little flies upon their skin to bit ‘em. And little flies have little’r flies, and so ad infinitum.

[xyz]

I definitely disagree on population. There's too many people and that's having the biggest impact on climate right…If we shaved off a few billion it would have a massive positive affect on our environment.

Who do you suggest gets shaved off? Maybe start with yourself.




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[xyz]

The notion that since we're unlikely to achieve net zero emissions globally we might as well just give up seems pretty fucking lame to me. Anything we can do will help. Take the steps we can now and hope for (and foster) technological improvements in the future that could help even more.

I don’t think giving up is the message. But we need to work within the bounds of reality. The new zero targets are beyond impossible. We’d need to be building new nuke plants by the dozen monthly, starting years ago to meet the IPCC targets. It’s just not possible.

That doesn’t mean give up and do nothing. We can do better and we likely are. But to more forward in a positive way we need to start with realism. Not insane targets and promises.

It’s clear warming is here. We need to be realistic and start acting like adults. Adaption should be the focus. Because reducing emissions to the ipcc targets will never happen.


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[Tom from Austria]

Yes Sir "we need to work within the bounds of reality".
Let`s start with the skiing. What can be done?

STOP THE GROOMERS AND SNOW MAKERS.

[The AD]

Again, adaptation is well and good for human beings. What about everything else on this planet?

[PB]

Adaptation did you say?
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...7;s-Ski-Resort

Seems more like leaning into it.

[raisingarizona13]

Who do you suggest gets shaved off? Maybe start with yourself.




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Why would I do that? It will probably happen as things worsen and people are starving, can no longer afford to have children and world wars erupt as humans become more and more desperate.

But, if it's my time it's my time. I've already taken that attitude with my stance in no longer wearing a mask and purposely opening myself up to covid exposure.

[raisingarizona13]

Again, adaptation is well and good for human beings. What about everything else on this planet?

"Life finds a way."

[AirheadD8]

I get a kick reading people’s comments on “Climate Change “ . This is a ski forum where people engage in a very energy intensive sport. Don’t be too harsh with people who disagree.

If you live a few feet above sea level I’d be more concerned with tsunamis than a gradual increase in sea levels. I saw a NOAA prediction years ago that projected 8” in 200 years.

Like RA said Mother Nature will deal with us parasites one way or another. I think a curve ball like a Megga Volcano could tilt things in the opposite direction . In the meantime I’m enjoying the banter.

[Bunion 2020]

If "life"= Cockroaches and other resilient and disgusting insects. This rock is an estimated 4 billion years old, won't be the first cleansing, won't be the last.

[raisingarizona13]

If "life"= Cockroaches and other resilient and disgusting insects. This rock is an estimated 4 billion years old, won't be the first cleansing, won't be the last.

FKNA right!

We aren't as big of a deal as we want to believe we are. Humanity can be wiped away in the blink of an eye.

[raisingarizona13]

I get a kick reading people’s comments on “Climate Change “ . This is a ski forum where people engage in a very energy intensive sport. Don’t be too harsh with people who disagree.

If you live a few feet above sea level I’d be more concerned with tsunamis than a gradual increase in sea levels. I saw a NOAA prediction years ago that projected 8” in 200 years.

Like RA said Mother Nature will deal with us parasites one way or another. I think a curve ball like a Megga Volcano could tilt things in the opposite direction . In the meantime I’m enjoying the banter.

We will probably get slammed with a giant assroid here in the next 30-50 years.

[Tom from Austria]

Airhead is right saying "This is a ski forum"!
So lets talk about saving energy in the ski sport.
What can we do?

Just follow the guy in this vid and make all groomers obsolete.

[xyz]

Again, adaptation is well and good for human beings. What about everything else on this planet?

Over the history of this planet, species come species go. Its nothing new. Expecting the earth to be the same forever as we've known it is wishful thinking. This is not defeatist thinking, its the reality of our planet. We can do our better but expecting solar panels etc to stop the earth from doing what's its been doing since the start of time is silly.

[raisingarizona13]

And maybe humans are natures designed catalyst to put earth into it's next cycle. Like maybe we are just doing our job and doing it really well?

[SumJongGuy]

We can do our better but expecting solar panels etc to stop selfish humans from doing what THEYVE been doing since the start of time is silly.

Fixed it for you. Before all this bullshit tribalism we were able to work together to save the ozone layer and end global lead poisoning/leaded fuel.