Climate Change

[telefreewasatch]

Given the comment I was responding to, your issue with it sounds like a personal problem. I wish you the best working through it, but I don't care to hear any more about it.

Fuck you, jong.
Hope you didn't have kids.
Sorry for them if you did...

[Buzzworthy]

Fuck you, jong.
Hope you didn't have kids.
Sorry for them if you did...

Not a Jong but the miserable banned Glademaster thinking he’s welcome here after hoping other maggots die.
He’s only back to spread more hate.

[old goat]

One problem with ev's is that a lot of people who live in apartments, central city neighborhoods, etc have no place to charge a car at home. Not everyone lives in the burbs with a roomy two car garage. A lot of people have to park on the street or in parking lots and garages without outlets or charging stations--does the landlord have to install a charging station for each stall? (And a lot of us with garages have no room for cars in them.)

[Fishskisurf]

One problem with ev's is that a lot of people who live in apartments, central city neighborhoods, etc have no place to charge a car at home. Not everyone lives in the burbs with a roomy two car garage. A lot of people have to park on the street or in parking lots and garages without outlets or charging stations--does the landlord have to install a charging station for each stall? (And a lot of us with garages have no room for cars in them.)

Battery swapping.
HAS to be in the conversation for EV's and EV infrastructure.

[shaft]

One problem with ev's is that a lot of people who live in apartments, central city neighborhoods, etc have no place to charge a car at home. Not everyone lives in the burbs with a roomy two car garage. A lot of people have to park on the street or in parking lots and garages without outlets or charging stations--does the landlord have to install a charging station for each stall? (And a lot of us with garages have no room for cars in them.)

Agree. Huge problem and renters are not well-represented during development or during policy meetings. I was a renter with an EV (Fiat 500e) in a somewhat urban area (OB, San Diego) for 5 years. My experience:
-Had off-street parking in both locations
-First location - I paid for the installation of an L2 outlet ($400) and charger ($650) at the first house. It was nice to have. The charger came with me and currently sits, unused. We typically charged with the car parked outside the garage in a quasi-driveway alley-stop.
-Second location - L2 charger install would've been $1,500 and I did not like my landlord. Would not pay it. We charged Level 1 with an above-average commute for 4 years without many problems. Having a second vehicle helped on 5-10 occasions. Note - not all parking spaces have L1 outlets.
-Not ever going to a gas-station was awesome, and something you only realize when you have to go back to one.

We are talking about 3-4 subcategories here, each with some solutions:
New construction, multi-family - we propose 25% of spaces get a Level 2 charging station (or outlet) during construction, with 50% Automated Load Management (ALMS) encouraged to save site elec. capacity requirements, and a dedicated L1 outlet for the remaining 75% of spaces.

Existing construction, multi-family with parking- PG&E is now required to cover the capacity upgrade costs of adding EV to existing buildings. That's a big win. The remaining costs are site electrical, trenching, the charging station. $2k per port is a good target depending on how payment is structured and wall vs. pedestal mounted charging stations.. We'll need to add them in blocks. 10-20 ports at a time.

Existing construction, renter, without off-street parking - Tough one. The building was built without parking - which is no longer legal, and it was built without the electric infra. Double whammy. Public overnight L2 coupled with DCFC is my proposed solution to this one. I've had some charging stations installed with this in mind, but they don't get much use.

That's what I see as some cost-conscious approaches. When we started driving ICE cars we pumped the gas right out of tanks. We still do in some places. I recently filled a scooter with gas out of a re-used 40 oz. When Mercedes started selling turbo-diesel wagons, they came with guides to finding rare American diesel stations. This is going to take time, and, as usual, renters are the hardest to serve and with the least voice in the conversation. We will absolutely get there. It's a problem, and it costs money, but it is not outrageously complicated from a technical perspective.

Just my 2c

[old goat]

Technically not a problem. But who pays? The landlord, tenant, govt? What about townhouses in Boston, as an example, where street parking is the only parking, and you may be parked a considerable distance from your house. Will the city put in a charging station at every parking spot.? All electric is probably unrealistic IF it means replacing every ICV with EV. A much better investment would be greatly expanding mass transit, vehicle sharing for longer trips, etc. The places where EV might be the most problematic are the places where it makes the most sense for people not to own their own cars.

[SumJongGuy]

Battery swapping.
HAS to be in the conversation for EV's and EV infrastructure.

I've been all in on this as well.. But, it also probably creates a monopoly of some form top to bottom. Roads and parking lots working as wireless vehicle charging pads is another tech I'd like to see.

[clong]

So his tedtalks presentation there is all just complete BS then? And the exploitation of cobalt miners and the negative environmental impacts on their farmlands is all just BS?

I agree with Shellenberger in that we should pursue nuclear more then wind and solar. Sorry if that offends anyone.

As a scientist that has even (briefly) worked on climate, I will just say the following:

1) Yes, a lot of TED talks are BS. Don't know about this one specifically, but I would take any of them with a grain of salt.

2) The "asking questions" schtick is really off-putting. It's okay to ask good-faith questions about things you don't understand. That is what makes good science! It is not okay to use unresearched "questions" you have as a debate tactic. Your own lack of research is not a valid argumentative point. And to those who know a bit more on the subject, it comes off as incredibly arrogant. Some guy in 45 minutes of searching the internet thinks he has the answer to a problem that hordes of scientists, some of whom are very smart, and some of whom have dedicated their entire life's work to a subject just missed? Or never considered? Solar forcing is a very well understood concept, and very well studied. The oscillations in heat from the sun, and the trends thereof have been accounted for in models for decades now. It's not new.

3) I agree wholeheartedly we should have started building a lot more nuclear reactors about 20 years ago.

[PB]

Well said; thank you.

[shaft]

Technically not a problem. But who pays? The landlord, tenant, govt?

Depends on the circumstance. I would personally tend to push the costs towards the one with more means in the tenant/landlord relationship. This is typically the one with the feudalistic title. For low-to-moderate income homes, utility programs and government programs will (and often already do) foot the bill. This is a MUCH smaller cost than adding a lane to the 405. If we can spend it on roads, we can likely spend it on infra. The cost of a port is about 1 months rent, or 1/20th the cost of a new car, or a backcountry ski setup. It's an annoying cost, but not astronomical if done in a smart way.

Yes, "mode-shift" is the better approach. If public transit remains slower than using vehicles, there's an equity issue there - but there always has been.

What about townhouses in Boston, as an example, where street parking is the only parking, and you may be parked a considerable distance from your house. Will the city put in a charging station at every parking spot.?

Brownstones and rowhomes are more a planning question than a charging question. If you assume ICE is not allowed and home charging is the approach, then the way parking currently works in these communities may need to change. These homes were built without considering the car in the modern context. As you referenced, public transit or other mode-shifts like bicycling might be the best path-forward for these specific cases.

Planning questions to this level are going to have a variety of opinions and be pretty difficult to suss out. Someone will be unhappy for a bit, and either move away or age out of car ownership.

Again, just my opinions.

[old goat]

The point I have been trying to make is that things like installing charging stations in apartment parking lots and on the street and increasing the frequency and routes of mass transit are not going to happen without major government intervention and spending on a scale orders of magnitude higher than the Inflation Reduction Act and that is going to mean a huge increase in taxes with a top marginal tax rate of 90%--as it was in the 50's and early 60's--and a wealth tax.

It's so easy to propose solutions and skip over the details of how we get there.

[altacoup]

^^^

Yep. And that’s why anyone who says they want to fight climate change but vote GOP is a liar. The GOP is even an outlier when compared to conservative parties worldwide. Dems aren’t exactly perfect but they’re the only party in this country even trying. The logistics behind trying to fight climate change are beyond massive, way more mobilization than WW2 and on a global scale with governments working together. I’m not exactly optimistic. Maybe fusion will bail us out. Or an asteroid.


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[Bunion 2020]

^^^ There is always some jackass with magic beans for sale that fucks it up for everyone else.

[californiagrown]

FWIW a couple developers i work with/for are starting to provide additional EV charging stations on their urban apartment complex buildings. Whole floors of underground parking will be EV. Its looked at as an ammenity more desireable than pickleball courts and shitty 10'x10' "dog parks".

Also, the thinking for urban sites like that is that an EV doesnt need to charge everyday as the residents are only commuting a few miles each day (they are already living in the urban core after all), whereas an EV owner in the subburbs or rural areas would need to charge far more often.

[SumJongGuy]

The point I have been trying to make is that things like installing charging stations in apartment parking lots and on the street and increasing the frequency and routes of mass transit are not going to happen without major government intervention and spending on a scale orders of magnitude higher than the Inflation Reduction Act and that is going to mean a huge increase in taxes with a top marginal tax rate of 90%--as it was in the 50's and early 60's--and a wealth tax.

It's so easy to propose solutions and skip over the details of how we get there.

Wow, you mean back when America was "Great""? Humm, you'd think the red hat crowd would be all in on that since they're all in on everything else being the way it was in the 50s.. except unions, taxes, common sense gun control, etc...

[paulster2626]

Wow, you mean back when America was "Great""? Humm, you'd think the red hat crowd would be all in on that since they're all in on everything else being the way it was in the 50s.. except unions, taxes, common sense gun control, etc...

Well, they're working on it. They've got abortion back to where it was, at least!

[AK47bp]

Genius.




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[uglymoney]

David Gelles asked World Bank president a simple question that he wouldn't answer. Not surprising.

https://twitter.com/dgelles/status/1...m0-8voLcQ&s=19

Katherine Hayhoe reposted this thread from 2018 in response.

https://twitter.com/KHayhoe/status/1...YAW1TL9dg&s=19

She shuts down the deniers fake arguments one by one. Simple and concise. Reminder why interacting with trolls and deniers on here and elsewhere is a complete waste of breath.

[WMD]

David Gelles asked World Bank president a simple question that he wouldn't answer. Not surprising.

https://twitter.com/dgelles/status/1...m0-8voLcQ&s=19

Katherine Hayhoe reposted this thread from 2018 in response.

https://twitter.com/KHayhoe/status/1...YAW1TL9dg&s=19

She shuts down the deniers fake arguments one by one. Simple and concise. Reminder why interacting with trolls and deniers on here and elsewhere is a complete waste of breath.

Can't find the damn like button!

[Percy Rideout]

Not a Jong but the miserable banned Glademaster thinking he’s welcome here after hoping other maggots die.
He’s only back to spread more hate.

I was wondering where Glade went. Did his daddy ever buy him that overpriced fancy house on Ruedi Shores during the Pandemic Paranoid Property Explosion last summer?

[raisingarizona13]

I was wondering where Glade went. Did his daddy ever buy him that overpriced fancy house on Ruedi Shores during the Pandemic Paranoid Property Explosion last summer?

I think I was "friends" with this dude on Facebook. A few years back I put a post up to see if anyone had some used skis I could buy for the season and that dude went off accusing me of trying to take advantage of people because I was a trust funder and yada yada. It was seriously mean af and so hateful. What a miserable, sorry SOAB that dude is.

[raisingarizona13]

Interesting article on the history of water rights in the south western United States.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/colum...130005432.html

[old goat]

John Wesley Powell must have turned over in his grave when the Colorado River Compact was signed.

[shaft]

Genius.




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LOL. Sloan makes something sort of like this. Powers the sensor that turns on the faucet.

https://www.airdelights.com/3324094.html

[old goat]

Hurricanes hits Canada and typhoon hits Alaska. Shit's getting real.