Climate Change

[Jong Lafitte]

Dude, people call you a denier because you are constantly bringing up “just asking questions” stuff that can be easily disproved by two minutes of Google, then you back off and move the goal posts to some other “just asking” bullshit. At this point you have to either be willfully ignorant about what’s happening, or just plain ignorant. You don’t strike me as the latter.

If you don’t think we should do anything about climate change, then at least be brave enough to say it. Otherwise you’re coming off as a weasel here.

Where is the like button?


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[SumJongGuy]

Not many outright deniers left.. Most have moved on to yabut kick the can because we're not 100% sure how to fix it..

It's no surprise that this same psychographic is most opposed to immigration reform and clueless that climate change is what's driving the vast majority of these people fleeing the areas they are coming here from.

[neckdeep]

Not many outright deniers left.. Most have moved on to yabut kick the can because we're not 100% sure how to fix it..

It's no surprise that this same psychographic is most opposed to immigration reform and clueless that climate change is what's driving the vast majority of these people fleeing the areas they are coming here from.

What about the rich refugees? I'm more concerned about everyone who can afford to flee the southwest trying to move to Idaho over the next decade. Seems like that is already happening. Our climate refugees drive Porsches.

[WMD]

and my bad, wasn't trying to suggest it was the driving factor.

Yeah, except that's exactly what you were trying to do.

On second thought - you are following the deniers playbook of trying to create doubt (used by tobacco companies as well as fossil fuel companies). You don't have to prove anything (because you can't) so you just try to make people not sure what to believe and leave them unsure about the truth. This "doubt" is enough to prevent people from taking action. So we are calling you out for this.

[SumJongGuy]

What about the rich refugees? I'm more concerned about everyone who can afford to flee the southwest trying to move to Idaho over the next decade. Seems like that is already happening. Our climate refugees drive Porsches.

Build a wall. Pretty sure Idaho is as expendable as Florida and Texas when it comes to what's left of the UNITED States when folks start seceding.

[mar123]

Yeah, except that's exactly what you were trying to do.

On second thought - you are following the deniers playbook of trying to create doubt (used by tobacco companies as well as fossil fuel companies). You don't have to prove anything (because you can't) so you just try to make people not sure what to believe and leave them unsure about the truth. This "doubt" is enough to prevent people from taking action. So we are calling you out for this.

Reality can be rough...have fun living in your echo chamber.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipOeH7GW0M8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-yALPEpV4w

[WMD]

Reality can be rough...have fun living in your echo chamber.

Shellenberger is a well-known and debunked climate denier. Sharing this is more proof you are a denier with an agenda who is pretending to be an interested person wanting to discuss this topic.

Good retort about the echo chamber though. Ouch!!

[Core Shot]

[shaft]

Truckee is having a meeting this Thursday at the Rec Center from 5-7pm. The Town looking for community feedback on whether all new construction should be fossil fuel free. Get out there! Moreover, if your children are interested in climate change, it is a good chance to teach local civic engagement.

https://www.townoftruckee.com/Home/C...2Fnews-updates

If Crested Butte can do it, so can Truckee. 25% of buildings in the US are already all-electric. Norway is at 100% (though they are a culture that loves burning wood when it is really cold.) Making a building all-electric when building it is just the smart way to do it. Annoying to retrofit later...though we'll have to do that too.

Cheers,
Shaft

[mar123]

Shellenberger is a well-known and debunked climate denier. Sharing this is more proof you are a denier with an agenda who is pretending to be an interested person wanting to discuss this topic.

Good retort about the echo chamber though. Ouch!!

So his tedtalks presentation there is all just complete BS then? And the exploitation of cobalt miners and the negative environmental impacts on their farmlands is all just BS?

I agree with Shellenberger in that we should pursue nuclear more then wind and solar. Sorry if that offends anyone.

[Bunion 2020]

I agree with Shellenberger in that we should pursue nuclear more then wind and solar. Sorry if that offends anyone.

That does not offend anyone looking for real world answers and in fact has been espoused in this thread numerous times. And you think all Ted Talks are 100% bullshit free? How nice.

But yet again you are trolling for an argument.

[old goat]

Truckee is having a meeting this Thursday at the Rec Center from 5-7pm. The Town looking for community feedback on whether all new construction should be fossil fuel free. Get out there! Moreover, if your children are interested in climate change, it is a good chance to teach local civic engagement.

https://www.townoftruckee.com/Home/C...2Fnews-updates

If Crested Butte can do it, so can Truckee. 25% of buildings in the US are already all-electric. Norway is at 100% (though they are a culture that loves burning wood when it is really cold.) Making a building all-electric when building it is just the smart way to do it. Annoying to retrofit later...though we'll have to do that too.

Cheers,
Shaft

Currently state building code requires all new construction to be full-electric ready, so retrofitting shouldn't be too annoying--but if someone is already going to the expense of making a building all electric ready I imagine most will go ahead and make it all electric now, especially given the cost of a NG hookup. Fortunately wood isn't a fossil fuel--not for a few millions of years. (I would hope that if Truckee does pass an all electric code that wood stoves be allowed as an alternative heat source for multi-day power outages. )

[mar123]

That does not offend anyone looking for real world answers and in fact has been espoused in this thread numerous times. And you think all Ted Talks are 100% bullshit free? How nice.

But yet again you are trolling for an argument.

Never said anything about ted talks being BS fee but ok.

hope we get the renewables sorted and we can enjoy this planet for many more generations

anyways thanks ya'll for making this thread, not sure I have much to contribute so Im bowing out

-laters

[bodywhomper]

What about the rich refugees? I'm more concerned about everyone who can afford to flee the southwest trying to move to Idaho over the next decade. Seems like that is already happening. Our climate refugees drive Porsches.

I’m seeing people flee to Michigan, New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Maine.

[SumJongGuy]

Here are the 10 states with the fastest growth rates:

Utah - 1.53%
Idaho - 1.45%
Texas - 1.35%
North Dakota - 1.35%
Nevada - 1.28%
Colorado - 1.27%
Washington - 1.26%
Florida - 1.25%
Arizona - 1.05%
South Carolina - 0.95%
https://worldpopulationreview.com/st...growing-states

MAGA gotta MAGA.. Or more correctly employers are moving/expanding places where their tax rates are lowest.. That's the welfare queen red states..

[shaft]

Currently state building code requires all new construction to be full-electric ready, so retrofitting shouldn't be too annoying--but if someone is already going to the expense of making a building all electric ready I imagine most will go ahead and make it all electric now, especially given the cost of a NG hookup. Fortunately wood isn't a fossil fuel--not for a few millions of years. (I would hope that if Truckee does pass an all electric code that wood stoves be allowed as an alternative heat source for multi-day power outages. )

Dang - Old Goat is an OG! Agree. Wood as backup heat in rural areas is just sound climate accounting - and I can't see a world where that is disallowed. However, I think a lot of construction going on right now in the region includes gas. If used as the primary heating fuel, that's a decade-plus of emissions.

Make your voice heard - we need ya! Truckee failed to pass this last go-around.





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Others, I generally recommend we stop responding to saboteurs in this thread. It is just making it hard to follow the thread - which is the goal. "Humor" is clearly not the goal because nothing has elicited laughter.

[zion zig zag]

Never mind.

[Dr. Adirondack]

Dr. A, your last post I wholeheartedly supported.
This one I do not.
This thread has been remarkable in that folks are civil yet thinking outside the box some.
I for one am learning a lot from more educated types and have enjoyed the lack of adolescent posts.
A lil respect here, please...
I think you and mar are on the same page actually.

Given the comment I was responding to, your issue with it sounds like a personal problem. I wish you the best working through it, but I don't care to hear any more about it.

[WMD]

Currently state building code requires all new construction to be full-electric ready, so retrofitting shouldn't be too annoying--but if someone is already going to the expense of making a building all electric ready I imagine most will go ahead and make it all electric now, especially given the cost of a NG hookup. Fortunately wood isn't a fossil fuel--not for a few millions of years. (I would hope that if Truckee does pass an all electric code that wood stoves be allowed as an alternative heat source for multi-day power outages. )

Hopefully people will go all electric now as it would be more expensive and more wasteful to put in gas now and then yank it out and throw it away to replace it with electric in a few years. Because of cost to retrofit, most who go gas now will maximize their investment by keeping it as long as possible. On a planet where we must cut emissions in half by 2030 to avoid the worst impacts, we don't have that time.

[heckacali]

RE: stats about states with greatest % population increases....

Misleading data is misleading.

Many of those states have such a small population to begin with that a couple of hundred people moving in makes a measurable % difference, bigger population states, not so much.

[Markeyz]

Just buy more guns and ammo, right? Or maybe that’s what the lefties are doing so better double down right? Right?

[Markeyz]

Current new townhomes in my neighborhood going for 1.3 mill.

[SumJongGuy]

RE: stats about states with greatest % population increases....

Misleading data is misleading.

Many of those states have such a small population to begin with that a couple of hundred people moving in makes a measurable % difference, bigger population states, not so much.

OK Total domestic migration by people, not %...

U.S. states by net domestic migration (From June 1, 2021 to June 1, 2022)
National
rank State Total net domestic migration
(2021–2022)[1] Net domestic migration rate
per 1,000 inhabitants
1 Florida 220,890 10.14
2 Texas 170,307 5.77
3 Arizona 93,026 12.78
4 North Carolina 88,673 8.40
5 South Carolina 64,833 12.49
6 Tennessee 61,390 8.80
7 Georgia 50,632 4.69
8 Idaho 48,876 25.71
9 Utah 32,200 9.65
10 Nevada 25,327 8.06
11 Oklahoma 24,687 6.19
12 Alabama 22,136 4.39
13 Montana 19,240 17.42
14 Arkansas 16,016 5.29
15 Maine 15,473 11.28
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._net_migration

I figured KakaLaki would be there. We've got Apple, Amazon, and some supersonic jet company coming here..

[sb]

Buying ammo is always a good idea.

Run with it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RVzld8ES9hQ&t=124s

[Garfield3d]

Patagonia founder has a slightly more productive retirement plan than the MyPillow guy - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/14/c...chouinard.html