Climate Change

[neufox47]

Friend of mine--geophysicist recently resigned from Lawrence Berkeley National Lab, who does carbon storage projects around the world for a living--says that capture and storage will have marginal impact due to lack of scalability. Better think of something else.

Gotta rely on nature for that until the technology improves. Plants and algae are really good at capture and storage.

[WMD]

The something else is to leave fossil fuels in the ground.

[frorider]

https://medium.com/enquetes-ecosophi...e-88d43e23941a

[PB]

The religious breeders will not like that. In fact, very few people will like that at all.
The truth hurts.

[altasnob]

https://medium.com/enquetes-ecosophi...e-88d43e23941a

This is why I think it is silly when people claim Americans having kids are the problem with everything.

[old goat]

Gotta rely on nature for that until the technology improves. Plants and algae are really good at capture and storage.

Plants (algae are plants) produced all the oxygen in the atmosphere. I read that if all the plants disappeared it would take only about a thousand years for all the free oxygen gas to disappear as the elements oxidized. Trouble is, all the plants can't keep up, and we keep cutting them down.

[frorider]

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[Percy Rideout]

Geo engineering has varying degrees of intervention. Low grade would be reforestation of vast areas of land. High grade is put a solar screen in orbit to filter sunlight. Personally I think we should be doing small scale tests of geo engineering now so we have long running tests to identify unforeseen consequences.


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The next big volcanic eruption is just a blip in geologic time away.

[east or bust]

If you were a billionaire, wouldn’t you want to be on the leading edge of the technological requirements needed to support human life in the future? Having a private space race is not what I’m talking about - that’s probably way, way farther down the line.

Carbon sequestration, more efficient farming practices, etc are what come to mind. We are talking about completely new large scale industries here. If you have the funds available to get out ahead of this stuff, wouldn’t you be doing it?..

[WMD]

A new Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report comes out Monday. No need to wait to hear what it says. This guy got an advance copy - strangely it is only 1 paragraph long:

[JONG SLAUGHTER]

IF YOU'RE NOT CONVINCED TGR IS A BUNCH OF FAGGY HIPPY DIPSHITS READ THIS THREAD AGAIN....AND DON'T EVER THINK OF THINGS AS OVERPOPULATION...JUST CLIMATE CHANGE. MORONS.

[WMD]

^^I remember when I had my first beer...

[neufox47]

Plants (algae are plants) produced all the oxygen in the atmosphere. I read that if all the plants disappeared it would take only about a thousand years for all the free oxygen gas to disappear as the elements oxidized. Trouble is, all the plants can't keep up, and we keep cutting them down.

Very true at current rates. I’d like to see the world aggressively encourage the planting of trees.

[WMD]

Planting trees is always a good idea. But on climate we need to stop emitting greenhouse gases. And plant trees and rewild lots of land.

[old goat]

Planting trees is always a good idea. But on climate we need to stop emitting greenhouse gases. And plant trees and rewild lots of land.

And stop making more people like JONG says.

[liv2ski]

Good luck with that idea. The youngsters like to breed.

[nickwm21]

Globally (and locally) the birthrate is declining. There might be some real life Children of Men / Handmaids Tale shit going on… could be good for planet earth.


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[WMD]

It is always easy to blame population growth for all of our problems, and I agree it is a concern. But the bigger problem is resource use. The vast majority of people on this planet have very small impacts. We, the wealthy, on the other hand, have huge impacts.

While this 2020 Oxfam report (https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-relea...-half-humanity) only looks at carbon footprint, it could also be used to show ecological footprint:
"The richest one percent of the world’s population are responsible for more than twice as much carbon pollution as the 3.1 billion people who made up the poorest half of humanity during a critical 25-year period of unprecedented emissions growth.

"The richest 10 percent accounted for over half (52 percent) of the emissions added to the atmosphere between 1990 and 2015. "

The report goes on to say that the poorest 1/2 of the world's population account for only 7% of emissions.

So yes, we need to control population growth. But more crucially, we, the wealthy of the world, need to learn how to live more sustainably. We are the ones fucking things up, not those "other" people in the developing world.

[Tom351]

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-...c-predictions/

[wendigo]

fuck right off with your cei spam jong. oh, an organization that doesn't believe climate change exists has a blog post about cc not existing - wow.

[old goat]

Anyone predicting a future climate apocalypse is wrong--it's here now. Just ask the (ex)citizens of Greenville CA or Evia, Greece, or the families of those who died in the floods in Germany.

[Sirshredalot]

And stop making more people like JONG says.

This is Malthusian nonsense. Globally, fertility has fallen substantially and it continues to fall. In large parts of the world, fertility is already at or below replacement level. All things being equal, population pressure isn't a big concern over the coming century, at least from a global perspective.

Furthermore, we do have the necessary wealth and technology to decarbonize our economy pretty quickly.

What we have is a total failure of political will and an abdication of leadership from the world's richest countries. The US could have easily steered the world towards a lower-carbon future starting 25 or so years ago. But we didn't and now Denver has worse air quality than Calcutta and it pisses rain at Alta in January.

Within our lifetimes, we are realistically now choosing how much worse it will get. So far, we are making shitty choices.

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[Percy Rideout]

It is always easy to blame population growth for all of our problems, and I agree it is a concern. But the bigger problem is resource use. The vast majority of people on this planet have very small impacts. We, the wealthy, on the other hand, have huge impacts.

While this 2020 Oxfam report (https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-relea...-half-humanity) only looks at carbon footprint, it could also be used to show ecological footprint:
"The richest one percent of the world’s population are responsible for more than twice as much carbon pollution as the 3.1 billion people who made up the poorest half of humanity during a critical 25-year period of unprecedented emissions growth.

"The richest 10 percent accounted for over half (52 percent) of the emissions added to the atmosphere between 1990 and 2015. "

The report goes on to say that the poorest 1/2 of the world's population account for only 7% of emissions.

So yes, we need to control population growth. But more crucially, we, the wealthy of the world, need to learn how to live more sustainably. We are the ones fucking things up, not those "other" people in the developing world.

This is where we will make the most progress, IMO. It is impressive how much the Aspen billionaires "consume". Even the liberal ones lol. Limousine liberals is what they are called in DC.

We cant get countries to agree on anything. We pass feel good bills, and china opens another coal mine to help replace demand that never went away. Good work!

[Bunion 2020]

What we have is a total failure of political will and an abdication of leadership from the world's richest countries. The US could have easily steered the world towards a lower-carbon future starting 25 or so years ago. But we didn't and now Denver has worse air quality than Calcutta and it pisses rain at Alta in January.

Within our lifetimes, we are realistically now choosing how much worse it will get. So far, we are making shitty choices.

Bravo!!!!!

[NWFlow]

Guess this has already been posted, but it's an interesting perspective to consider:

What if We Stopped Pretending the Climate Apocalypse Can Be Stopped? https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cu...ped-pretending