Anyone have anything they'd like to rant about?

[toast2266]

I just bring the Gin with me. Get your ass down here and I'll share some with you.

Damn dude. You've ridden ~6 days a week all year? I'm impressed.

[evdog]

Maybe I ranted about this already, but Trailforks staff have been busy adding trails with incorrect descriptions or that simply don't exist. Keep finding trails in Wilderness areas that are marked mountain biking allowed. I mean, maybe I can point to that when I encounter wilderness rangers and tell them Trailforks said I was good to go! TF has the landowner layer right there they can refer to, there is no excuse for screwing that up. The whole point of having local admins is that people adding the trails are familiar with them and will get most of them right.

Also been seeing random things added like one called "Firebreak." It's a firebreak, alright. One that is covered in thick brush and impassable, that was bulldozed straight up a mountainside and has never seen bike tires.

[hick]

Maybe I ranted about this already, but Trailforks staff have been busy adding trails with incorrect descriptions or that simply don't exist. Keep finding trails in Wilderness areas that are marked mountain biking allowed. I mean, maybe I can point to that when I encounter wilderness rangers and tell them Trailforks said I was good to go! TF has the landowner layer right there they can refer to, there is no excuse for screwing that up. The whole point of having local admins is that people adding the trails are familiar with them and will get most of them right.

Also been seeing random things added like one called "Firebreak." It's a firebreak, alright. One that is covered in thick brush and impassable, that was bulldozed straight up a mountainside and has never seen bike tires.

Oh man, this is a good one! In Montana they have added so many trails that are so fucked they haven’t existed in years. Gotta do some serious homework before you go chasing TF trails that don’t exist on the ground. We have one zone where someone in Ontario, Canada [emoji1063] has added miles of trails that must exist on a map from the 1940’s somewhere. Until some Good Samaritan goes out IRL and posts an accurate description you’re riding in someone’s virtual world. And what’s legal and not is constantly botched, but they can be excused for that sometimes as even the FS doesn’t know what they’ve deemed legal or not since it’s an ever evolving cast of characters with widely varying “give a fuck”.


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[chicken feathers]

^ noticed the same on mtb project years ago. Sorta comical. Annoying when it’s your only beta and you get skunked.

Also annoying, or funny when it’s clearly been posted by someone who hasn’t ridden there and the suggested directions are off, e.g. climbing where everyone descends…

[jm2e]

MTB.
I stayed with Marcelo Gutierrez for a week, amazing trip.
https://www.camelbak.com/marcelogutierrez.html

Legend


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[VTskibum]

Building up a used XS 26" frame has been annoyingly frustrating. Much of this is my fault, Giant ATX frame from around 2020 w/ half decent geometry, which has seen some use but nothing too bad and I got it cheap ~$50. Realize there was no hanger, bottom headset bearing was missing, and annoyingly the internal cable port grommets are missing. All in all not dealbreakers and especially since I was planning on a new headset anyway. Square taper bottom bracket though I realize the first threads on the crankarm are mangled to the point I can't my tool in. Really don't want to throw good money after bad on this silly thing, but may be taking it into a shop for what I'm sure the mechanic is going to judge as my problems I've created.

Have ripped pandora's box open. I debated just buying a more expensive complete Small/XS 27.5 bike but here we are. If he really cared about riding I'd have plunked down some good money, but instead going to pay in frustration mostly. It was only after I'd routed and cut the internal brake line that it occurred to me I shouldn't do that until all the cable ports are sorted.

[jamal]

I don't think there's any trailforks staff actually adding trails, it's just members. There's definitely an annoying amount of shit around here that either doesn't exist or isn't ridable. Anyone else can go in and edit and change things, and i'm a local admin so i can do that and delete stuff without even needing approval, but lately i haven't really felt like spending my free time doing stuff like that. Our local mtb group could spend some time on it if they wanted though.

[Dee Hubbs]

Building up a used XS 26" frame has been annoyingly frustrating. Much of this is my fault, Giant ATX frame from around 2020 w/ half decent geometry, which has seen some use but nothing too bad and I got it cheap ~$50. Realize there was no hanger, bottom headset bearing was missing, and annoyingly the internal cable port grommets are missing. All in all not dealbreakers and especially since I was planning on a new headset anyway. Square taper bottom bracket though I realize the first threads on the crankarm are mangled to the point I can't my tool in. Really don't want to throw good money after bad on this silly thing, but may be taking it into a shop for what I'm sure the mechanic is going to judge as my problems I've created.

Have ripped pandora's box open. I debated just buying a more expensive complete Small/XS 27.5 bike but here we are. If he really cared about riding I'd have plunked down some good money, but instead going to pay in frustration mostly. It was only after I'd routed and cut the internal brake line that it occurred to me I shouldn't do that until all the cable ports are sorted.

I have both options for you:
A bag full of Giant/LIV rubber cable port grommets (made even a hanger)
OR
A new LIV Womens Small 27.5 Obesess Hard Tail (Giant Small, and not Womens color) . carbon frame, carbon wheels with DT 240s, AXS XX1, 170 crank. 100mm Fox 32 Step Cast.
Really good price.....

[MegaStoke]

Yep, a combination of bad trailforks beta, and sunk cost fallacy recently sent Ms. megastoke and I down this “trail” on a bikepacking loop. Took around 6 grueling hours to go 10 miles.

[skaredshtles]

Yep, a combination of bad trailforks beta, and sunk cost fallacy recently sent Ms. megastoke and I down this “trail” on a bikepacking loop. Took around 6 grueling hours to go 10 miles.

Yeesh. FTS.

[XXX-er]

Square taper bottom bracket though I realize the first threads on the crankarm are mangled to the point I can't my tool in. .

I fixed that out on the trail for some random person by running the pedal in from the back of the crank to straighten/ clean up the threads and then I could thread the pedal from the front

or the LBS will have a helicoil for that job

[singlesline]

I always go check the Trailforks ridelogs that include a given trail if I'm unsure of an area.

Lets you see if it has actually been ridden recently, and if there's enough traffic, can give you some insight on preferred loops/direction/connection and estimates of how long it will take. If there are sparse details and no TF user has ridden it (or the last ridelog was in 2018), it might be best to have a backup plan unless you have beta from someone else.

Only fails if everyone rides some unsanctioned cutoff/offshoot that has been hidden from the public--Trailforks won't show you anyone's GPS track if they touch sensitive trails.

Edit: Actually, for the purposes of determining if at least part of the trail A) Exists and B) Is Ridable, the sensitive trail thing doesn't really matter--if people keep riding it, it should be good to go even if you can't see people's tracks--and if there were sections that weren't ridable, you'd hope one of those people would eventually comment/report.

[bagtagley]

Strava heat map is another good indicator of use, at least around here.

[jackstraw]

I don't think there's any trailforks staff actually adding trails, it's just members. There's definitely an annoying amount of shit around here that either doesn't exist or isn't ridable. Anyone else can go in and edit and change things, and i'm a local admin so i can do that and delete stuff without even needing approval, but lately i haven't really felt like spending my free time doing stuff like that. Our local mtb group could spend some time on it if they wanted though.

^this.

And currently unrideable. Well yeah, ask the local trail build/maintenance folks how much help they receive from the privileged mtn bike community.

[Meconium]

I 100% support Trailforks documenting trails, whether ridable or not.
Valuable for access and hopefully reinforce any historical right-of-way or fuzzy easement.
Guess I’ll rant about people ranting about documented trails on the internet.
Hopefully this sport never gets dumbed down all the way on a cyber platter.

[toast2266]

I 100% support Trailforks documenting trails, whether ridable or not.
Valuable for access and hopefully reinforce any historical right-of-way or fuzzy easement.
Guess I’ll rant about people ranting about documented trails on the internet.
Hopefully this sport never gets dumbed down all the way on a cyber platter.

I'm with you. Trailforks is just a map, and a map should show everything that's on the ground. It's up to the users of that map to post up condition reports. But it's not trailforks' fault if people aren't doing that.

That said, there are certainly people who are over-eager to put things on trailforks. For a while, a local guy (who was also a trailforks admin for the state) was putting a bunch of "planned" trails on trailforks, but those trails were only planned in his own brain, and weren't based on anything that actually existed (or was planned) in reality.

[hick]

I 100% support Trailforks documenting trails, whether ridable or not.
Valuable for access and hopefully reinforce any historical right-of-way or fuzzy easement.
Guess I’ll rant about people ranting about documented trails on the internet.
Hopefully this sport never gets dumbed down all the way on a cyber platter.

I get that. I just thought it very odd that a lot of stuff seems to be added by someone in a far off place. No issue whatsoever with someone adding a historical trail with an actual description and no I’m definitely not looking for trails to be handed to me. We find most by using old out of date FS maps, ya, paper maps!! The things we used in olden times…



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[VTskibum]

I fixed that out on the trail for some random person by running the pedal in from the back of the crank to straighten/ clean up the threads and then I could thread the pedal from the front

or the LBS will have a helicoil for that job

Shoulda been more explicit. Not pedal threads, the square taper BB retention bolt threads are the ones that are mangled. Imagine many bike shops don't have the helicoil for those threads, though I do know one that almost certainly would.

[Dee Hubbs]

VTskibum, I have Giant/LIV plugs like this:


To fit frame openings like this:


Lots of 1 cable or 2 cable (maybe some 3 cable) openings, no solids covers.

[jm2e]

Wife’s newly re-taped (by me) tire wasn’t holding air yesterday. Which meant it was my job to hit it with the mini pump every few miles. Mildly annoying rant.
Finally at the top of the hill, counted off 150 pumps (yea, I knew how much it needed at that point) unthread the mother fucking thread on chuck along with the valve core. That changed the mood of the ride.


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[joetron]

Shoulda been more explicit. Not pedal threads, the square taper BB retention bolt threads are the ones that are mangled. Imagine many bike shops don't have the helicoil for those threads, though I do know one that almost certainly would.

The threads inside the BB spindle or the crank puller threads in the crank?
If it’s in the BB spindle, 1. That’s crazy, not sure I’ve ever seen that 2. Just buy a new square taper BB.
If it’s the crank puller threads in the crank (they surround the dust cover of the crank bolt), you’re in for it. Never seen those helicoiled…not sure that’s a thing. I have managed to jam through enough threads to get purchase and get the crank off, then replaced it. Have also failed at getting thread purchase and had to get medieval with some hacksaws, Dremels, hammers and weird old wedge tools designed for this heinous task.


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[toast2266]

Finally at the top of the hill, counted off 150 pumps (yea, I knew how much it needed at that point) unthread the mother fucking thread on chuck along with the valve core. That changed the mood of the ride.

You got Lezyne'd

[skaredshtles]

You got Lezyne'd

That happened to me once in the parking lot before a ride with a friend's Lezyne. WTF is up with those goddam heads? I mean... that shit ain't rocket surgery.

[grskier]

Lezyne pump heads, the new

flats v. clipless
Stans v. orange seal
silent v. loud hubs
tech v. flow
bar thickness
wheelsize


I wish some marketeer could decide for me what I like.

[climberevan]

You got Lezyne'd

It was about time for this to come around again. It seems that properly tightening the core in a valve stem is just too complicated for some folks. Those people should not buy Lezyne pumps.

The rest of us will continue to enjoy their great design and excellent function.