Anyone have anything they'd like to rant about?

[climberevan]

Yeah that's the stupidest neoligism. Mopeds are the new thing; bicycles don't have motors, period. It's all part of the effort to normalize motor vehicle use on non-motorized trails.

[sfotex]

When I was a kid riding my shitty BMX bikes around the shitty dirt track we build in a vacant lot, I would have never thought the pinnacle of cycling would become
grown men riding $14k electric mopeds around specially built and groomed hiking trails while wearing Wal-Mart funded $500 outfits.....

[XXX-er]

I met a guy on a course once who had a customer using a typewriter directly powered by a small diesel, it normaly uses a 1/30th hp electric motor but they were amish or SFT so they couldn't use electricity but diesel was OK but no electric start

[XXX-er]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedelec

actualy the correct term is pedelec, there are > 100 million in China

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Yeah that's the stupidest neoligism. Mopeds are the new thing; bicycles don't have motors, period. It's all part of the effort to normalize motor vehicle use on non-motorized trails.

Truth


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[MagnificentUnicorn]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedelec

actualy the correct term is pedelec, there are > 100 million in China

They’re actually mopeds, we’re not Chinese


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[Andeh]

Here's my rant: every month or so, this thread turns into the same old argument against/for ebikes that has been going on for the last 5 years or so. The same people from both sides making the same arguments, convincing no one. It's old and boring. No one outside the internet gives a fuck. Go ride your bike, with or without a motor. We're grownups riding bikes in the woods - stop taking it too seriously.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I met a guy on a course once who had a customer using a typewriter directly powered by a small diesel, it normaly uses a 1/30th hp electric motor but they were amish or SFT so they couldn't use electricity but diesel was OK but no electric start

How exactly did the diesel motor power the typewriter? I’m inclined to call bullshit here.


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[MagnificentUnicorn]

Here's my rant: every month or so, this thread turns into the same old argument against/for ebikes that has been going on for the last 5 years or so. The same people from both sides making the same arguments, convincing no one. It's old and boring. No one outside the internet gives a fuck. Go ride your bike, with or without a motor. We're grownups riding bikes in the woods - stop taking it too seriously.

This is a rant thread. You don’t have to click on it. Why does it bother you? We can see that it bothers you but why?


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[Eluder]

This is a rant thread. You don’t have to click on it. Why does it bother you? We can see that it bothers you but why?


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It's his rant; let him have it.

[rideit]

Here's my rant: every month or so, this thread turns into the same old argument against/for ebikes that has been going on for the last 5 years or so. The same people from both sides making the same arguments, convincing no one. It's old and boring. No one outside the internet gives a fuck. Go ride your bike, with or without a motor. We're grownups riding bikes in the woods - stop taking it too seriously.

How about people that don’t pick up their poop-bags, eh?

[chicken feathers]

How about people that don’t pick up their poop-bags, eh?

Probably the same people who poach trails on e-bikes

[toast2266]

No one outside the internet gives a fuck.

That is very much not true.

But yes, arguing about ebikes isn't very interesting. But it's cold and rainy out, and I already watched world cup and spent 3 hours cleaning the shop, so here we are.

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[Tailwind]

I mean it feels like a play on guitars but kinda leaning into “electric guitars are for young cool people, acoustic guitars are old and not cool”. So I’d bet it’s some companies marketing department. To lean into the other common thread topic, can we blame specialized?

Also - I like the term moped. It’s just a little derogatory while not actually being all that offensive. Locally we call side by sides Texas wheelchairs which is intentionally derogatory and just offensive enough.

Mopeds are great. Ride them around town instead of driving. For trails that allow it, ride them instead of shuttling. Just don’t be an asshole while sharing trails and don’t poach trails.

Here’s a rant, what dumbfuck came up with the term “acoustic bike”? It’s a bike or bicycle. We’re not talking about guitars.


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[XXX-er]

How exactly did the diesel motor power the typewriter? I’m inclined to call bullshit here.


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Buddy said it was diesel engine sitting outside the building with the power coming into the buidling I would bet using some kind of a belt drive off a jack shaft. It was a typebar m/c so it wouldn't be that hard to do alternative power cuz the drive pulley was on the outside of the m/c, the motors had the RPM written on the label so I could see one of those enterprising farmers figuring it out, they were probably cutting stencils and the typbar m/c were good for that

apparently it was really hard to get started at -30

[singlesline]

Here's my rant: every month or so, this thread turns into the same old argument against/for ebikes that has been going on for the last 5 years or so. The same people from both sides making the same arguments, convincing no one. It's old and boring. No one outside the internet gives a fuck. Go ride your bike, with or without a motor. We're grownups riding bikes in the woods - stop taking it too seriously.

FWIW, threads like this (and just more time with ebikes in the world) HAVE shifted my opinion somewhat.

Sometimes people actually make good points/bring in different viewpoints and experiences that can move the needle.

[XXX-er]

Here's my rant: every month or so, this thread turns into the same old argument against/for ebikes that has been going on for the last 5 years or so. The same people from both sides making the same arguments, convincing no one. It's old and boring. No one outside the internet gives a fuck. Go ride your bike, with or without a motor. We're grownups riding bikes in the woods - stop taking it too seriously.

well it is a rant

besides they ^^ will all age into it soon enough

And up here it doesnt matter, maybe cuz there are 90% less people?

2yrs ago a guy with california plates came up to me in the P-lot to ask the e-bike situ, I told him both the builders/ the club VP and various other people ride them so no body cares and it doesnt matter. Since they were auz & canuck why would you live down there if you don't have to and so they moved here last year

[rideit]

Probably the same people who poach trails on e-bikes

Ironically, I have been going out at dusk on the E with a shopping bag, and picking up the winter’s worth of poop bags as trails dry out. Got about 35 the other day. I wouldn’t think of doing that on a normal ride.
(I don’t want people seeing that I do that, or they will think that there IS a poop fairy. )
That said, I just had an amazing meat-bike ride, just so fun, light, and responsive.

[smmokan]

Locally we call side by sides Texas wheelchairs which is intentionally derogatory and just offensive enough.

Here's a related rant: on the northern Front Range, the USFS approved a permit for a company to set up shop on public land (in a moderately busy TH) to rent Texas wheelchairs... in the same area they're attempting to shut down illegal MTB trails. Their reasoning for shutting down the MTB trails? "Wildlife conservation", because a tiny fraction of them were built in a known elk habitat. But then they let this company drastically increase the number of idiots driving around the adjacent dirt roads making more noise, and likely causing exponentially more damage, than you know what. Seems about right for our government.

[rideit]

LHC? Or PH?

[smmokan]

LHC? Or PH?

PW/JP area.

[Tailwind]

Super frustrating.

Especially commercialized use. How’s that working out in Moab and other spaces?

Shot in the dark but I’m guessing there is probably some money involved for the side by side lobby (taxes and etc) and less so for the MTB trails. Sadly “local people ride these trails and like them” isn’t as compelling as “how’d you like some money”.

Here's a related rant: on the northern Front Range, the USFS approved a permit for a company to set up shop on public land (in a moderately busy TH) to rent Texas wheelchairs... in the same area they're attempting to shut down illegal MTB trails. Their reasoning for shutting down the MTB trails? "Wildlife conservation", because a tiny fraction of them were built in a known elk habitat. But then they let this company drastically increase the number of idiots driving around the adjacent dirt roads making more noise, and likely causing exponentially more damage, than you know what. Seems about right for our government.

[Bunion 2020]

DGAF about where you ride your mopeds.

I have noticed an increase around town in them attempting to act like real vehicles. As in riding in traffic along with cars and trucks and not bothering with the bike lanes that were put in.
Seems a bit stupid but who is to say?

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[smmokan]

Shot in the dark but I’m guessing there is probably some money involved for the side by side lobby (taxes and etc) and less so for the MTB trails. Sadly “local people ride these trails and like them” isn’t as compelling as “how’d you like some money”.

Yeah, the MTB side is a bit more complicated than that (from what I understand), but I think/hope that the efforts by the FS are just window dressing to appease some loud, squeaky wheels in the community that have the right connections. And I can only assume you're spot on with the Texas wheelchair thing - there's no other explanation other than money.

[toast2266]

I have noticed an increase around town in them attempting to act like real vehicles. As in riding in traffic along with cars and trucks and not bothering with the bike lanes that were put in.
Seems a bit stupid but who is to say?

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The tricky thing on the around town / commuting type mopeds is that there's a huge range of them. Some are basically bicycles with a motor assist, and are fine on most bike paths. Some are basically motorcycles that may or may not actually have pedals and are capable of highway speeds. Those things definitely should not be in the bike lanes. There's little, if any regulation of any of them, and even if there was, enforcement is problematic because they all look somewhat similar.

So it pretty much gets left up to the rider to make an intelligent choice as to where and how to ride them. And that works exactly as well as you'd expect it to.

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