Anyone have anything they'd like to rant about?

[jackstraw]

DT Swiss Freehubs. It use to be a simple solution, now its all fawked up.
Old way was two simple options, 3 pawl OR Ratchet.
Now its:
3 Pawl
Ratchet (traditional system)
Ratchet EXP (new 1 star system)
Ratchet LN (on cheaper 370 series hubs)

Trying to upgrade a clients bike to SRAM XPLR and I have 9 different DT Freehubs and none are the correct one.
The one I need is not in stock, so it's easier (and almost cheaper) to buy a wheel with the right freehub, and pull it off.

Should they just keep the EXP and ditch the rest? Or is the traditional as good or better?

[Dee Hubbs]

Should they just keep the EXP and ditch the rest? Or is the traditional as good or better?

The EXP is great, lighter, less parts, and moved the bearings to better location.
Keep EXP as the premium, and use Ratchet (traditional) as the trickle down for the mid level hubs, and 3 pawl for the entry level.
I didn't even know that they developed this 4th LN standard until I ordered one by mistake and tried to make it work on a traditional hub.

While I'm ranting, why the fawk does SRAM need to make their XPLR wide range cassettes only fit on a XDR freehub. Why can't they make their 42t cassette hang over the "standard" width freehub like Shimano does.

[jm2e]

While I'm ranting, why the fawk does SRAM need to make their XPLR wide range cassettes only fit on a XDR freehub. Why can't they make their 42t cassette hang over the "standard" width freehub like Shimano does.

Same reason Sram made a wide range 8 speed cassette but charged $450 for it. Because they’re fuckers.



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[Canada1]

Just yell "STRAVA" loudly.

... works whether you're the one passing or bring passed.

I really think this is the heart of the issue.
Amazingly for the last thirty years the "whenever you're ready" done in a friendly tone has really worked. But on Sunday I ventured onto a very busy up climb (Armstrong) with alot of Yeti's and encountered some who were about PR's. Then, getting passed by a fat guy with white hair probably led to the snarkyness.
If I'm being honest two were on Yeti's and one on a very nice new Pivot.

[Vt-Freeheel]

My music is just loud enough that riders pull over to let me pass by the time I catch up to them.
I always say thanks and have a good day.

[Roxtar]

My music is just loud enough that riders pull over to let me pass by the time I catch up to them.
I always say thanks and have a good day.

Yeah, that's waaaaay less annoying than someone calling out "Bike"

[jackstraw]

The EXP is great, lighter, less parts, and moved the bearings to better location.
Keep EXP as the premium, and use Ratchet (traditional) as the trickle down for the mid level hubs, and 3 pawl for the entry level.

Right on.

We don't really have passing issues here. Probably because we have no vert! If someone is trying to pass me, he's probably riding with me, so f him [emoji3].

My last experience was in SC on a climb. I came up behind a guy on a gravel bike and I didn't say anything. He saw me so I just stayed behind him, not a big deal. It was fine, but we came to a ridge with a small down and he didn't pull over. It's gravel rideable, but it's twice as fast on a mtn bike. I held back and then caught up immediately and then I just pulled over. Maybe I should have asked, but I don't. I'll wait or just stop. On another ride out there I saw a guy coming up on me quickly from the switchbacks. Knowing he was coming I pulled off as soon as he got close. It just seems like common courtesy to move over imo. Now if you're in the middle of a punchy climb or tech then the dude behind needs to wait.

[skaredshtles]

Came up on a young lady running this evening.

Loudly: "Could I get by, please?"

Louder: "Can I pass, please?"

Hollering at the top of my lungs: "Oy!!"

Lady stops all startled, and says, "Sorry - I don't even have them turned up very loud."

[ddocky]

What is up with Trailforks route planner?

Two years ago and it took forever to put in a route which had problems. Last night I tried to answer the question "what is the length of Tylers Traverse uphill and Dinah-Moe-Humm?" The answer is I'll never know because the tool just does not work. I would click on the next segment, and the route would suddenly back track and turn into some big loop to get to the point from the opposite direction! After four tries it I gave up.

Does anyone seriously use this thing to plan routes or just to record what they did?

[Spencer123]

I use it sometimes to share routes with friends and have that happen all the time, it is definitely a poor design.

The work around which is maybe not worth the time is, whenever there is a junction, click to add a waypoint right before the junction, and then add a waypoint just after the junction in the direction you are heading. Then keep doing this for all junctions, even adding points just before and just after any sharp turns within your trail to keep it jumping to somewhere random on the map.

This usually gets the job done but yah it is tedious.

-Spencer


QUOTE=ddocky;6879781]What is up with Trailforks route planner?

Two years ago and it took forever to put in a route which had problems. Last night I tried to answer the question "what is the length of Tylers Traverse uphill and Dinah-Moe-Humm?" The answer is I'll never know because the tool just does not work. I would click on the next segment, and the route would suddenly back track and turn into some big loop to get to the point from the opposite direction! After four tries it I gave up.

Does anyone seriously use this thing to plan routes or just to record what they did?[/QUOTE]

[rideit]

Strava or Garmin/etc is a lot easier to use for that.

[HankScorpio]

I almost spent a bunch of money on a new rear wheel because my local shop said it was beyond repair. They almost got away with selling me a $650 wheel. I then took the hub apart and replaced a seized bearing. Hub works as good as new. Greedy bastards.

[jamal]

I couldn't even figure out how to find a route i'd made in the trailforks app. On the webpage when I go to "my routes" they aren't even all there either.

[evasive_MT]

What is up with Trailforks route planner?

Two years ago and it took forever to put in a route which had problems. Last night I tried to answer the question "what is the length of Tylers Traverse uphill and Dinah-Moe-Humm?" The answer is I'll never know because the tool just does not work. I would click on the next segment, and the route would suddenly back track and turn into some big loop to get to the point from the opposite direction! After four tries it I gave up.

Does anyone seriously use this thing to plan routes or just to record what they did?

I use it a lot to create race route. I’m not sure what’s up with the costing calculations they use for routing. I see the same thing- sometimes it’ll go around it’s ass to get to its elbow when just clicking from one segment to the next. I have to be very careful to watch what it’s telegraphing it’ll do, and sometimes I alt-click to use a straight line to connect.

[Roxtar]

What is up with Trailforks route planner?

Two years ago and it took forever to put in a route which had problems. Last night I tried to answer the question "what is the length of Tylers Traverse uphill and Dinah-Moe-Humm?" The answer is I'll never know because the tool just does not work. I would click on the next segment, and the route would suddenly back track and turn into some big loop to get to the point from the opposite direction! After four tries it I gave up.

Does anyone seriously use this thing to plan routes or just to record what they did?

You have a trail named Dinah Moe Humm?!
One of Zappa's best.

[evdog]

I use it a lot to create race route. I’m not sure what’s up with the costing calculations they use for routing. I see the same thing- sometimes it’ll go around it’s ass to get to its elbow when just clicking from one segment to the next. I have to be very careful to watch what it’s telegraphing it’ll do, and sometimes I alt-click to use a straight line to connect.

It might be trying to automatically route to the next segment so that one gets ridden in its preferred direction per TF.


Separate issue, I've been seeing trails randomly added by the TF map team the last year or so that get listed as open to bikes but are in Wilderness. They have the landowner map layer that shows these areas, you'd think they would check it?

[Dee Hubbs]

You have a trail named Dinah Moe Humm?!
One of Zappa's best.

There is a whole zone of Zappa trails in Whistler:
There is a Dinah Moe Humm, Pinocchio’s Furniture, Peaches en Regalia, Toads of the Short Forest, Zoot Allures, Central Scrutinizer, Grand Wazoo, to just make a few off the top of my head.

[toast2266]

^^^ And one of my favorite trail names - Why Johnny Can't Read

[evasive_MT]

It might be trying to automatically route to the next segment so that one gets ridden in its preferred direction per TF.


Separate issue, I've been seeing trails randomly added by the TF map team the last year or so that get listed as open to bikes but are in Wilderness. They have the landowner map layer that shows these areas, you'd think they would check it?

It might be doing that, but I always uncheck the “use preferred route” button. And it doesn’t seem to follow any preferred direction. It’s just weirdness.

[chicken feathers]

When did freehub sound become such a big deal?

I looked up a new wheelset I had to do some service and all I can find is YouTube vids of people talking about how they sound.

[rideit]

Since Chris King came out with the loud-ass hub in like ‘96?

[plugboots]

Onyx is paying for all that as subliminal advertising. Worked for me.

[rideit]

Rant: One month into breaking 4 ribs, and I’m still off the bike. I guarantee ten years ago I would have been pinning it recklessly already.

[hick]

Rant: One month into breaking 4 ribs, and I’m still off the bike. I guarantee ten years ago I would have been pinning it recklessly already.

Getting old sucks. There’s my rant.


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[panchosdad]

Getting old sucks. There’s my rant.


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Beats the alternative.