Well this is a little bit too close to home...

[KQ]

dont you execute farm animals every week?

Not me. Strictly crops.

Saved two sparrows this week from my cat.

[mtngirl79]

I know a guy whose father was executed.. pretty fucked up.

Seems like life in prison is worse anyways.

[BaNosser]

I know a guy whose father was executed.. pretty fucked up.

Seems like life in prison is worse anyways.

Lethal injection should be totally painless.. unless the machine fucks up... My profession is anesthesia.. Propofol induces anesthesia and there should be no conscientiousness at all after the injection... never has been for any of my patients (knock knock)... then inject the muscle relaxer to stop breathing and potassium to stop the heart.. done deal.. just like falling asleep.. if one is concerned the propofol may wear off prior to the muscle relaxant and potassium have done their job inject propofol steady for 5 min... but for someone who has done something to warrant the death penalty.. this is probably too good for them.. hold the propofol and just inject the pavulon and potassium

[digitaldeath]

its actually not like falling asleep

how would anyone even know

[BaNosser]

its actually not like falling asleep

how would anyone even know

because its exactly like anesthesia induction.. uses the same drugs (propofol or sodium pentathol in the past).. and that's how general anesthetics are described by patients.. just like sleeping..

I know multiple anesthetist who have committed suicide... each one of them chose propofol as the main drug.. It's what I would do..

[BaNosser]

MVHS today

[digitaldeath]

because its exactly like anesthesia induction.. uses the same drugs (propofol or sodium pentathol in the past).. and that's how general anesthetics are described by patients.. just like sleeping..

I know multiple anesthetist who have committed suicide... each one of them chose propofol as the main drug.. It's what I would do..

everything i have ever heard is opposite of what you posit

and i dont know multiple people who have committed suicide


"Typically, three drugs are used in lethal injection. Sodium thiopental is used to induce unconsciousness, pancuronium bromide (Pavulon) to cause muscle paralysis and respiratory arrest, and potassium chloride to stop the heart.

First developed in the United States, it is now also a legal method of execution in China, Thailand and Vietnam. It was also used in Philippines until the country re-abolished the death penalty in 2006.[1]"

seems really nice!

[BaNosser]

Propofol and pentathol (Sodium thiopental) while different drugs do essentially the same thing.. induce a state of very deep sedation.. the more you give the deeper the state (they can kill all on their own).. For aneshtesia purposes propofol is preferred because it causes nearly no post op nausea.. which is a big deal.. for lethal injection this is probably not a concern.. Propofol is also cleared faster by the body than pentathol (another reason it is preferred for anesthesia cases esp shorter ambulatory surgery cases).. which is why I stated if one believes that to be a problem then inject it for 5 min.. or just use pentathol.. Either way the person is in a totally deeply sedated state (general anesthesia) which then allows the pavulon and potassium to do their work prior to the deep sedation (g.a.) to be metabolized away... the brain is full of propofol or pentathol and 'asleep'.. the heart stops via the potassium and therefore the blood can not be pumped thru the liver or kidneys in order to break it down.. the diaphragm is paralyzed by the pavulon and the lungs therefore do not exchange oxygen anymore.. the brain gets no oxygen and slowly begins shutting down and then turns off... Thankfully for the person their brain is in a state of deep sedation (g.a.) and in theory has no realization of what is happening... and the person passes... Now obviously we really don't know if it is like falling asleep, but everything science tells us and what these drugs do strongly suggest this is how it occurs.

A single induction dose of propofol takes less than 30 seconds to work.. and last 3-4 min before being metabolized by the body.. pentathol lasts longer
Potassium in larger doses works instantaneously on the heart
Pavulon begins working in minutes and lasts over 30 min

Done in proper sequence and doses I can't imagine the person ever feeling a thing... tho I know there are controversies..

sorry didn't mean to hijack this thread

[digitaldeath]

you're advocating capital punishment while saying its like going to sleep

this is pathetic and bootlicking to the max

great shame upon thee

[AK47bp]

Propofol and pentathol (Sodium thiopental) while different drugs do essentially the same thing.. induce a state of very deep sedation.. the more you give the deeper the state (they can kill all on their own).. For aneshtesia purposes propofol is preferred because it causes nearly no post op nausea.. which is a big deal.. for lethal injection this is probably not a concern.. Propofol is also cleared faster by the body than pentathol (another reason it is preferred for anesthesia cases esp shorter ambulatory surgery cases).. which is why I stated if one believes that to be a problem then inject it for 5 min.. or just use pentathol.. Either way the person is in a totally deeply sedated state (general anesthesia) which then allows the pavulon and potassium to do their work prior to the deep sedation (g.a.) to be metabolized away... the brain is full of propofol or pentathol and 'asleep'.. the heart stops via the potassium and therefore the blood can not be pumped thru the liver or kidneys in order to break it down.. the diaphragm is paralyzed by the pavulon and the lungs therefore do not exchange oxygen anymore.. the brain gets no oxygen and slowly begins shutting down and then turns off... Thankfully for the person their brain is in a state of deep sedation (g.a.) and in theory has no realization of what is happening... and the person passes... Now obviously we really don't know if it is like falling asleep, but everything science tells us and what these drugs do strongly suggest this is how it occurs.

A single induction dose of propofol takes less than 30 seconds to work.. and last 3-4 min before being metabolized by the body.. pentathol lasts longer
Potassium in larger doses works instantaneously on the heart
Pavulon begins working in minutes and lasts over 30 min

Done in proper sequence and doses I can't imagine the person ever feeling a thing... tho I know there are controversies..

sorry didn't mean to hijack this thread

Maybe in the future you can select your method of execution.

"Hmm, should I go with the Michael Jackson treatment or the Prince?"

I imagine a waiting room with pamphlets and soft rock on the radio.

[Mazderati]

Indeed.

[BaNosser]

you're advocating capital punishment while saying its like going to sleep

this is pathetic and bootlicking to the max

great shame upon thee

I'm just attempting to shine a little light from the perspective of someone who has used these drugs and know how they work...

As far as capitol punishment goes I have very little say in if it should be used or shouldn't be used... but I will say this for the record just so you know.. there are people who have committed such atrocious acts upon innocent people.. kids, parents, grand parents.. that I have zero problem with it being used in appropriate situations... in some situations lethal injection is too good for them.. let their blood and body fluids boil with electricity or choke to death on gas...

[AK47bp]

Indeed.

Ha. Nice.

[digitaldeath]

I'm just attempting to shine a little light from the perspective of someone who has used these drugs and know how they work...

As far as capitol punishment goes I have very little say in if it should be used or shouldn't be used... but I will say this for the record just so you know.. there are people who have committed such atrocious acts upon innocent people.. kids, parents, grand parents.. that I have zero problem with it being used in appropriate situations... in some situations lethal injection is too good for them.. let their blood and body fluids boil with electricity or choke to death on gas...

That makes u just like them, sicko

[snoqpass]

I'm just attempting to shine a little light from the perspective of someone who has used these drugs and know how they work...

As far as capitol punishment goes I have very little say in if it should be used or shouldn't be used... but I will say this for the record just so you know.. there are people who have committed such atrocious acts upon innocent people.. kids, parents, grand parents.. that I have zero problem with it being used in appropriate situations... in some situations lethal injection is too good for them.. let their blood and body fluids boil with electricity or choke to death on gas...

Hanging is still an option is this state

[BaNosser]

That makes u just like them, sicko

yeah.. except I'm not out taking innocent lives and destroying entire families

[digitaldeath]

Lots of victims families don't want more violence. Some do but I would say most do not

[BaNosser]

Lots of victims families don't want more violence. Some do but I would say most do not

and that should be taken into consideration..

[digitaldeath]

Capital punishment is what shitty 3rd world rat nests do


In America we do cage fighting
Ok

[BaNosser]

Capital punishment is what shitty 3rd world rat nests do


In America we do cage fighting
Ok

Ok

[mtngirl79]

I worked at a veterinary clinic in my early 20's and one of the vets hooked herself up to an IV and euthanized herself. It was pretty sad.

[abraham]

I find it very eerie living near the site of where executions are carried out.

My parents used to occasionally make references to sending people where the sweet onions grow. Took me a while to figure out what that meant and what my mom had to do with it

[Dantheman]

As far as capitol punishment goes I have very little say in if it should be used or shouldn't be used... but I will say this for the record just so you know.. there are people who have committed such atrocious acts upon innocent people.. kids, parents, grand parents.. that I have zero problem with it being used in appropriate situations... in some situations lethal injection is too good for them.. let their blood and body fluids boil with electricity or choke to death on gas...

I absolutely agree that some people deserve to die horrible painful deaths for what they have done. My problem with the death penalty is that we have a fallible justice system that, despite assurances that the death penalty shall be reserved for the most egregious and clear-cut cases, convicts innocent people of capitol crimes with shocking regularity and has undoubtedly executed innocent people. Even one innocent person being executed is unconscionable, and as long as the death penalty is legal that possibility exists.