Fu*king Cyclists

**powdrhound** · 08-29-2016, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by joetron

Haha. Excellent.
"I'm at 16 3/8rd and G 13/16rd"

Please tell me that that is an exaggeration...

**FormerKnuckleDragger** · 08-29-2016, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by BigDaddy

Maybe you're talking extra wide roads, but around me, two abreast takes up half the road (as seen in my picture) and creates potential for a head on collision while trying to avoid the cyclist. It definitely does quite the opposite and makes things much more dangerous.

Or, you know, you could wait anywhere from 30 seconds to a minute or two until there are good enough sight lines to pass safely for all involved.

Yes, you'll be going marginally slower for a little while. Does it really matter? Other than the sense of frustration (I get it, I drive a car too), what's the harm?

A road lane is probably anywhere from 8 feet to 14 feet wide. Assuming the bike is a foot or two off the fog line on the right, you'd still be hard pressed to pass with three feet of room (that's the law here in California and some other states) without going into an oncoming lane.

**dunfree** · 08-29-2016, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by FormerKnuckleDragger

Or, you know, you could wait anywhere from 30 seconds to a minute or two until there are good enough sight lines to pass safely for all involved.

Yes, you'll be going marginally slower for a little while. Does it really matter? Other than the sense of frustration (I get it, I drive a car too), what's the harm?

why do the two cyclists get to be assholes?

**FormerKnuckleDragger** · 08-29-2016, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by dunfree

why do the two cyclists get to be assholes?

There's no difference one vs. two in terms of safety. To pass, you still have to go into the oncoming lane. If you pass even one cyclist without going halfway over into the oncoming lane, you're an asshole. Would you pass your child like that? No? Then don't do it to someone else's.

It just makes you more angry that they could be doing something that gets in your way. Recognize that.

**muted** · 08-29-2016, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by FormerKnuckleDragger

Or, you know, you could wait anywhere from 30 seconds to a minute or two until there are good enough sight lines to pass safely for all involved.

Yes, you'll be going marginally slower for a little while. Does it really matter? Other than the sense of frustration (I get it, I drive a car too), what's the harm?.

Are you a robot asking how humans feel? You really don't know the answer? Are you a monk?

Originally Posted by FormerKnuckleDragger

A road lane is probably anywhere from 8 feet to 14 feet wide. Assuming the bike is a foot or two off the fog line on the right, you'd still be hard pressed to pass with three feet of room (that's the law here in California and some other states) without going into an oncoming lane.

Why is there a reoccurring comment in this thread on how cars pass with 3 feet of room? Sure it's the law but in my experience people ditch that idea when there is no room and just buzz me. If I'm far right, they generally go slow by me because they know I am as far right as possible. If I'm two feet out on blind corners, they buzz me at a higher rate of speed and probably with a lot of anger. It makes no sense to me to be 1-2 feet out 99% of the time (when there are no parked cars). It's a lose-lose situation.

3 feet of room, yeah right. How many people even know this rule that doesn't bike?

**FormerKnuckleDragger** · 08-29-2016, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by muted

Are you a robot asking how humans feel? You really don't know the answer? Are you a monk?

Didn't know this was a no rhetorical question zone. I'll do better next time.

Originally Posted by muted

3 feet of room, yeah right. How many people even know this rule that doesn't bike?

Not many. And most road rage drivers are really, really wrong on what bikes can/can't do by law.

**dunfree** · 08-29-2016, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by FormerKnuckleDragger

There's no difference one vs. two in terms of safety. To pass, you still have to go into the oncoming lane. If you pass even one cyclist without going halfway over into the oncoming lane, you're an asshole. Would you pass your child like that? No? Then don't do it to someone else's.

It just makes you more angry that they could be doing something that gets in your way. Recognize that.

I find self-indulgent half assed justifications for being an asshole make me irritated, not angry.

**BigDaddy** · 08-29-2016, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by FormerKnuckleDragger

Or, you know, you could wait anywhere from 30 seconds to a minute or two until there are good enough sight lines to pass safely for all involved.

Yes, you'll be going marginally slower for a little while. Does it really matter? Other than the sense of frustration (I get it, I drive a car too), what's the harm?

A road lane is probably anywhere from 8 feet to 14 feet wide. Assuming the bike is a foot or two off the fog line on the right, you'd still be hard pressed to pass with three feet of room (that's the law here in California and some other states) without going into an oncoming lane.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you're a former knuckle dragger?

To answer your question, it's a fucking road, not a bike path. And it's used for commerce, not just your recreation. I hope you're just playing devils advocate, but fear not.

**Buster Highmen** · 08-29-2016, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by powdrhound

Please tell me that that is an exaggeration...

3081 B 1/2 Rd, Grand Junction, CO 81503
221 31 3/10 Rd, Grand Junction, CO 81503
372 29 5/8 Rd, Grand Junction, CO 81504
2920 D 1/2 Rd, Grand Junction, CO 81504

**BigDaddy** · 08-29-2016, 01:27 PM

And have any of the militant bike nazis been to Europe? In Italy, from my experience, they will mow you down.

**FormerKnuckleDragger** · 08-29-2016, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by BigDaddy

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you're a former knuckle dragger?

To answer your question, it's a fucking road, not a bike path. And it's used for commerce, not just your recreation. I hope you're just playing devils advocate, but fear not.

I used to snowboard. But I got better.

I'm not a roadie. At all. I just think it's fucked up that people are as much of an asshole behind the wheel as they are behind the keyboard.

**BigDaddy** · 08-29-2016, 01:29 PM

Wait, who me?!

I'm all for sharing the road, but share is the key word.

**FormerKnuckleDragger** · 08-29-2016, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by BigDaddy

Wait, who me?!

I'm all for sharing the road, but share is the key word.

All for you and none for them, right? Because 30 seconds of your life (whether single or double file) is worth more than their experience?

**muted** · 08-29-2016, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by FormerKnuckleDragger

All for you and none for them, right? Because 30 seconds of your life (whether single or double file) is worth more than their experience?

Are you mixing up toddler day care with commuting on roads?

On the other hand, good for you for having patience while dealing with the Bay Area traffic. You do have a car, right?

**FormerKnuckleDragger** · 08-29-2016, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by muted

Are you mixing up toddler day care with commuting on roads?

Well at least I can't say you're self-centered. And my toddlers are a bunch better at sharing than people who get pissed at people out for a road ride.

Originally Posted by muted

On the other hand, good for you for having patience while dealing with the Bay Area traffic. You do have a car, right?

I live close enough to work not to have to drive. Otherwise I wouldn't live here. Yep, I do have a car. Mostly to take me places to bike and ski.

**ex-powderbroker** · 08-29-2016, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by BigDaddy

Wait, who me?!

I'm all for sharing the road, but share is the key word.

This gets back to your earlier comment. Imagine you're biking on a road with no shoulder. maybe it's even a 4 lane road. So you as a cyclist take the right lane but it's spooky, you don't want to be there in a position you can get hit from behind. So the best thing you can do is take the lane, rather than hug the shoulder and encourage super sketchy passing along your left pinkie. Now there's a second bike. You both take up the lane, are far more visible, and at least you have company in the funeral home if you both get gunned down.

Less than 1/100th of a percent of my riding has been done like this, but my point is there is a place for it. Maybe even in the roundabout by your house. And since maybe as a driver "you" wouldn't know, the best thing you can do is de-rage and cut other people some slack (and I know YOU aren't buzzing cyclists or anything like that).

But this conversation keeps drifting into the notion that recreational cycling is selfish but it seems like many people, even here, are commuters and just trying to go about their lives. Same as the lady in the original video that was painted with a spandex brush. Not that there is anything wrong with people recreating, we should be able to make room for all purposes and people.

**BmillsSkier** · 08-29-2016, 02:27 PM

Except the crazy girl in the op vid reached into a car, committed assault, and larceny. All because of a horn honk.

Who knows what all happened but cooler heads should have prevailed.

**BigDaddy** · 08-29-2016, 02:27 PM

Yeah, I'm totally fine... I'll give a toot so they know I'm there and pass them.

I drive slow as fuck on these roads... seriously. You should be so lucky as to have all drivers like me.

But on the highway, that's another story...

**Sirshredalot** · 08-29-2016, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

Except the crazy girl in the op vid reached into a car, committed assault, and larceny. All because of a horn honk.

Who knows what all happened but cooler heads should have prevailed.

Go out to your garage, stand in front of your car's grill, and have someone lay on the horn. Have them do it while you're playing a video game on your phone that requires reflexes. Let us know how that goes.

**BmillsSkier** · 08-29-2016, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Sirshredalot

Go out to your garage, stand in front of your car's grill, and have someone lay on the horn. Have them do it while you're playing a video game on your phone that requires reflexes. Let us know how that goes.

You must have missed my "cooler heads should have prevailed"
statement in my post.

Im no courtroom dentist but I remember enough from the bar of what constitutes assault and larceny. She committed both. You may not like it but that's why the police are looking for her.

If we have any NY courtroom jocks, maybe they could weigh in and tell us if being honked at very closely is an affirmative defense to these crimes.

**dunfree** · 08-29-2016, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by FormerKnuckleDragger

I live close enough to work not to have to drive. Otherwise I wouldn't live here. Yep, I do have a car. Mostly to take me places to bike and ski.

Not a local. Opinion invalid. Report to the pay 30% more for the same shit window.

**BmillsSkier** · 08-29-2016, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by FormerKnuckleDragger

I live close enough to work not to have to drive. Otherwise I wouldn't live here. Yep, I do have a car. Mostly to take me places to bike and ski.

Hugh dreampt of posts like this. He killed himself off too soon. This could have anchored his magnum opus.

**Sirshredalot** · 08-29-2016, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

You must have missed my "cooler heads should have prevailed"
statement in my post.

Im no courtroom dentist but I remember enough from the bar of what constitutes assault and larceny. She committed both. You may not like it but that's why the police are looking for her.

If we have any NY courtroom jocks, maybe they could weigh in and tell us if being honked at very closely is an affirmative defense to these crimes.

Did you do as I suggested or not?

Don't retreat into hack legal arguments. It's not impressive and doesn't make you seem clever.

**BmillsSkier** · 08-29-2016, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Sirshredalot

Did you do as I suggested or not?

Don't retreat into hack legal arguments. It's not impressive and doesn't make you seem clever.

1) what she did is, by law, a crime. Unless you don't believe in the law as it applies to others. In which case, good luck.

2) you lose. (Nothing personal man)

3) I don't own a video game on my phone so I can't act out your weird scenario even if I wanted to. Sorry.

4) if you still disagree just let me know where you'll be biking and I'll send DD's goons to follow you, take your water bottle or sunglasses and make a harmful or offensive contact with your face after you let out a loud noise. I'm told they're particularly rough.