New Season, New Tires, New Thread

[toast2266]

Looking for faster rolling rubber than my assegai/DHR combo in maxterra. I'm toying with the idea of aggressor/dissector. Or DHR/dissector...cor ho-hum pnw trail riding. Is this dumb? The alternative is Conti's hardest kryptotal w their Xytotal in the rear. The bike sees only trail duty and this move would result in a dedicated wet wheelset to swap out at will...

Also, the guy at the shop told me to go insert if/when I upgrade wheels. I have never flatted out in my life (fingers crossed). Insert go more slow, no?

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I've done assegai/ dissector and liked it. Only downside is the dissector doesn't last super long as a rear.

If you've never flatted, I see absolutely no reason to go insert. Heavier, slower acceleration, and if you ever slice a tire, it just makes the fix more of a pain in the ass.

[GravityDT]

Well then.... pretty dang impressed with the new rubber on the ride. Having stopped working in the bike world, I have been starting to shop deals online and at the LBS more and more. It pains me to say this, having spent most of my working career selling against the big S - the Butcher/Eliminator T9 Grid Trails I picked up on the 39.99 dealio are staying on the bike.

[SchralphMacchio]

Looking for faster rolling rubber than my assegai/DHR combo in maxterra. I'm toying with the idea of aggressor/dissector. Or DHR/dissector...cor ho-hum pnw trail riding. Is this dumb? The alternative is Conti's hardest kryptotal w their Xytotal in the rear. The bike sees only trail duty and this move would result in a dedicated wet wheelset to swap out at will...

Also, the guy at the shop told me to go insert if/when I upgrade wheels. I have never flatted out in my life (fingers crossed). Insert go more slow, no?

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In my part of the PNW, which would be Oakridge loam and then coastal loam/clay mix, I plan to run Dissector front and rear this summer for a good balance of speed and traction.
In previous years I’ve run Mazza front Dissector rear, which I think is a really well balanced trail combo. I’m sure either DHF or DHR up front with Dissector rear would be a very similarly balanced ride.
If you go Dissector front Aggressor rear, it would be insanely fast and light (which is what I’m hoping from my Dissector Dissector combo). The main benefit over Dissector Dissector would be the durability of the Aggressor over the Dissector, as the Dissector out back can fall apart under aggressive braking. Both of these tires are similar in speed and weight; I think the Aggressor brakes just a touch harder in dry loam and I think the Dissector corners better. One thing about this combo is that in recent years I’ve found that I have a preference for my front and rear tires to be the same width for high speed cornering, and the 2.3 Aggressor is a little bit more narrow than the 2.4 Dissector so it will hook up just a tad bit differently. So don’t put the Aggressor up front since I think it’s only available in DC and is more narrow than the Dissector in both widths.

Since you are building up a dedicated wet wheelset … I’ve been reallt really impressed by the Spesh Grid Trail T9 Hillbilly. Yeah it’s heavier than EXO MT, but it’s really damn nice and damp and bites really well. So far I have only run T7 in the rear (I use a T7 Butcher in shoulder season when the wet soil is still mostly supportable, and an older Hillbilly T7 rear when it’s truly winter and things are generally slip and slide all around) but the Hillbilly is now only available in T9 rubber and either Grid trail or Grid Gravity casing. I wouldn’t hesitate to run either of these out back in the winter though.

[singlesline]

Anyone have comparative measurements for 2.4 DHR vs 2.4 kryptotal on the same rim?

Can I expect the kryptotal to measure larger like they seem to do in the 2.6 size vs maxxis?

[carlh]

I picked up an eliminator for a back summer tire since they are cheap haven’t put it on yet. I also have a dissector on the front of my hardtail and it’s fine, pretty big dead zone but rolls decently.

I've done assegai/ dissector and liked it. Only downside is the dissector doesn't last super long as a rear.

If you've never flatted, I see absolutely no reason to go insert. Heavier, slower acceleration, and if you ever slice a tire, it just makes the fix more of a pain in the ass.

[toast2266]

I picked up an eliminator for a back summer tire since they are cheap haven’t put it on yet. I also have a dissector on the front of my hardtail and it’s fine, pretty big dead zone but rolls decently.

Yeah, I like the eliminator for a rear. Similar speed to a dissector, but lasts way longer. Dissector brakes and corners noticeably better, but it's not *so* much better that I'm willing to pay more and have it wear out faster. If I was racing and wanted the perfect setup I'd probably go dissector, but I'm not so I don't.

[SchralphMacchio]

I really have a love hate relationship with Dissectors. I would have moved on to Xynotal if not for all those $30 Maxxis tires that hit the market last Fall. On our soil the Dissector has this je ne sais quoi of fun-ness, so so fast, drifty when you want it and well controlled through the drift, locked on rails when you want it, shuts down when you want, damp smooth ride, but then falls apart after not that many hard fast rides.

[Huskier]

Sorry, little more faffing: Went with a Trail Kryptotal in endurance compound in the front, Dissector rear. Now I'm hearing some bits and pieces about traction issues on slimy roots, which rarely ever go away here in Cascadia. Anybody spend time on this endurance compound? What is the significance of a single/dual/triple compound? Different wear characteristics?

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[MCS5280]

Looking at trying ground control rear tire in 29x2.35 to replace an XR4 that's feeling too draggy. Does anyone know if evil S has any sales scheduled in the next month?

[Toddball]

Anyone have comparative measurements for 2.4 DHR vs 2.4 kryptotal on the same rim?

Can I expect the kryptotal to measure larger like they seem to do in the 2.6 size vs maxxis?

On DT EX511s, 30mm internal width, with CushCore Pro:

2.4 Kryptotal Fr (Enduro Soft): 2.3690" casing, 2.4120" knobs

Can't find a record of my 2.4 DHR II measurement, but pretty sure the casing was just over 2.4" on the same rims.

I have no experience with 2.6" tires in either brand, but I would not assume the Contis are larger than stated or larger than Maxxis.

[alpinevibes]

Looking at trying ground control rear tire in 29x2.35 to replace an XR4 that's feeling too draggy. Does anyone know if evil S has any sales scheduled in the next month?

Jensen has both T5 and T7 layups for $39.99 right now. Similar prices at other shops online

[jackstraw]

This xc racer kid I know is running Maxxis Aspen 170tpi. Wild looking tire. A slick with little knobs. He's fast AF with them. Not a tire for me.

[Spats]

Looking for faster rolling rubber than my assegai/DHR combo in maxterra. I'm toying with the idea of aggressor/dissector. Or DHR/dissector...cor ho-hum pnw trail riding. Is this dumb? The alternative is Conti's hardest kryptotal w their Xytotal in the rear. The bike sees only trail duty and this move would result in a dedicated wet wheelset to swap out at will...

Also, the guy at the shop told me to go insert if/when I upgrade wheels. I have never flatted out in my life (fingers crossed). Insert go more slow, no?

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The Aggressor is an alarmingly fast rear tire and grips well in anything that isn't sticky mud. Since Tahoe doesn't have mud, I run it 100% of the time on the rear.

The rear tire is at least 80% of your rolling resistance. Front doesn't matter as much, though you'll still notice the difference between an Assegai and literally anything else since the Assegai is so slow. A DHF front will be noticeably faster. If you want absolute maximum grip on the front, WTB Verdict. Haven't tried the new Contis.

[MCS5280]

Jensen has both T5 and T7 layups for $39.99 right now. Similar prices at other shops online

Thanks!

[Duffman]

Been running the stock DHR2 front / Dissector rear 2.4WT 3C on my Ripley AF w its mongo 35mm ID rims . EC rolling trails w lots of rocks and roots and mix of wet and more firm dirt .Pretty happy so far but have no frame of reference w other modern tires. Any better alternatives to these or stick w the same for replacements? Unfortunately missed stocking up when these were dirt cheap

[Spencer123]

Planet Cyclery still has 31 dollar dhr and Jenson has the cheap disssector

[stuckathuntermtn]

Jenson has lots of OEM Maxxis. Is there any rhyme or reason to why some tires have yellow graphics and some have white?
I know graphics shouldn't matter, and my 26er had different brand tires on it, but SO much more noticable on big 29er tires.

[SchralphMacchio]

Been running the stock DHR2 front / Dissector rear 2.4WT 3C on my Ripley AF w its mongo 35mm ID rims . EC rolling trails w lots of rocks and roots and mix of wet and more firm dirt .Pretty happy so far but have no frame of reference w other modern tires. Any better alternatives to these or stick w the same for replacements? Unfortunately missed stocking up when these were dirt cheap

I prefer 2.5” or 2.6” tires on 35mm to 2.4; 2.4 is a little too squared off and harsh for me on that wide of a rim, where 2.6 feels Goldilocks.

If you are happy I wouldn’t sweat it but I would also be opportunistic if cheap/sale 2.6 tires come up to do more experimentation.

A Spesh equivalent in 2.6 would be Butcher front Eliminator rear; though Butcher Grid T7 is not the happiest on wet roots and rocks … the Grid Trail T9 adds a lot of grip and dampness by softening the compound and increasing sidewall support at slightly lower pressures.

[Spats]

Jenson has lots of OEM Maxxis. Is there any rhyme or reason to why some tires have yellow graphics and some have white?
I know graphics shouldn't matter, and my 26er had different brand tires on it, but SO much more noticable on big 29er tires.

White OEM tires come in feature combinations that yellow retail tires don't. Sometimes this means the OEM omitted things like sidewall protection, used cheaper rubber, or even went to wire bead to make them cheaper. I think Maxxis still lists the features on the sidewall of white OEM tires, but their naming is confusing as heck. Good luck XD

I prefer 2.5” or 2.6” tires on 35mm to 2.4; 2.4 is a little too squared off and harsh for me on that wide of a rim, where 2.6 feels Goldilocks.

Ibis ships with the WT (Wide Trail) Maxxis tires, designed for wide rims. A 2.4WT is fine on Ibis rims, where a regular 2.4 might not be.

Been running the stock DHR2 front / Dissector rear 2.4WT 3C on my Ripley AF w its mongo 35mm ID rims . EC rolling trails w lots of rocks and roots and mix of wet and more firm dirt .Pretty happy so far but have no frame of reference w other modern tires. Any better alternatives to these or stick w the same for replacements? Unfortunately missed stocking up when these were dirt cheap

As mentioned, Aggressor 2.5WT is insanely fast in the rear at the price of poor sticky mud performance. Whether you can use it depends on local conditions and whether you ride in mud. I continue to stan the WTB Verdict as the front tire for ultimate grip on anything but pavement-firm hardpack, though it's definitely slower than a DHF.

[stuckathuntermtn]

IDK man, it'll still say 3c Exo tubless or whatever.

[smmokan]

Specialized tire question for potentially wet/sloppy BC trail riding in BC (Squamish, Whistler, Pemberton but no bike park)... I'll be riding 15-20 miles, climbing 2500-3000 freedom units each day. Which setup would you go with? All tires are T9 compound on a Forbidden Dreadnought.

Hillbilly / Butcher
Butcher / Butcher
Butcher / Eliminator
Hillbilly / Hillbilly

[SchralphMacchio]

Specialized tire question for potentially wet/sloppy BC trail riding in BC (Squamish, Whistler, Pemberton but no bike park)... I'll be riding 15-20 miles, climbing 2500-3000 freedom units each day. Which setup would you go with? All tires are T9 compound on a Forbidden Dreadnought.

Hillbilly / Butcher
Butcher / Butcher
Butcher / Eliminator
Hillbilly / Hillbilly

Didn't you ask this question last year? And didn't you get good results with Hillbilly Butcher? It's what I still have mounted up on my Bronson for Western Oregon, but mostly because I've been too busy to switch to Dissector Dissector now that things are pretty much dried out here.

I run Hillbilly Hillbilly in the winter for pure wet, Hillbilly Butcher in the shoulder season for variable mix of soft/wet/dry, and Dissector Dissector for midsummer dry fast.

[carlh]

Depends on what you’re riding and how steep it is. I’m on a magic Mary/butcher right now and it’s been fine but I’m not convinced it’s that much faster than 2 Mary’s which i imagine are similar to hillbilly’s. I’m going to put an eliminator on the back as soon as it stops raining but a bit scared about braking in steep loose.

Specialized tire question for potentially wet/sloppy BC trail riding in BC (Squamish, Whistler, Pemberton but no bike park)... I'll be riding 15-20 miles, climbing 2500-3000 freedom units each day. Which setup would you go with? All tires are T9 compound on a Forbidden Dreadnought.

Hillbilly / Butcher
Butcher / Butcher
Butcher / Eliminator
Hillbilly / Hillbilly

[SchralphMacchio]

I was not impressed by the Magic Mary on wet clay-loam mix that gets greasy on top. The demo bike I was on in those conditions was MM/BB, and I immediately felt more comfortable getting back onto a Butcher/Butcher on my bike ... let alone the Hillbilly which is way better than either for wet stuff.

[HankScorpio]

Specialized tire question for potentially wet/sloppy BC trail riding in BC (Squamish, Whistler, Pemberton but no bike park)... I'll be riding 15-20 miles, climbing 2500-3000 freedom units each day. Which setup would you go with? All tires are T9 compound on a Forbidden Dreadnought.

Hillbilly / Butcher
Butcher / Butcher
Butcher / Eliminator
Hillbilly / Hillbilly

I made the switch from DHF/DHR to Butcher/Eliminator and they've done great on the slick, steep trails around here early season. The wet traction is on par the 3c Maxxis rubber. Rolling resistance for big climbing days isn't noticeably worse either but the Specializes tires feel like they will hold up better.