ON3P SKIS Discussion

[KeithKow]

I jumped on the sale this weekend and emotionally purchased the last pair of Woodsman 92 Ripper Concepts. Now I am low-key freaking out that they will have no edge hold on firmer snow after reading around. I am seeing some talk about switching to a 1/2 bevel - is that the move right out of the gate? Or is this just a bunch of nonsense and I should give the stock tune a shot first? Not looking for Kendo edge hold here, but I do not want to wash out either!

[PeachesNCream]

I had a set of woodsman 102s that I flipped after a few days since I found edgehold lacking. If you don’t ski firm days or have a narrower ski too they would be more compelling but I would go up to the 108 at that point. Heritage am100 should be in the conversation as well.

Are you saying the am100 should be in the category of lacking edge hold? Or category of a 100ish with good edge hold ?


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[Power_Sauce]

Opinions on the 100 Woods as a low key daily driver in the PNW?

Been using Moment C98s for the past few years to fill that role. They are fine when I have room to let them run, but last season was my first here in WA and they felt like overkill when things got bumped out and tight or I just wanted to do some exploration in unfamiliar terrain. A lot of that is the metal and flattish tail, and Snoqualmie just doesn't seem to have the kind of terrain that really makes that ski shine for me, or at least I haven't been able to find it.

Picked up a pair of woodsman 100s at the end of this season and skied closing weekend at Blackcomb on them (mostly with kids, so not a perfect test). Initial impressions were very positive, a very intuitive and fun, good suspension, pretty high speed limit and surprisingly maneuverable. It was very easy to break the tail free in a good way. Edge grip seemed ok/good, but it was pretty slushy so nothing to really get a great feel. I’m pretty certain they will see a lot of time at Alpy next year.


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[carlh]

I haven’t been on am100 but am sure they have solid edge grip, the fl105s I had were the opposite of the woods 102s in edge grip as in too much not too little. I was putting them in the conversation about a no new snow daily driver for the Pnw.

[kid-kapow]

I jumped on the sale this weekend and emotionally purchased the last pair of Woodsman 92 Ripper Concepts. Now I am low-key freaking out that they will have no edge hold on firmer snow after reading around. I am seeing some talk about switching to a 1/2 bevel - is that the move right out of the gate? Or is this just a bunch of nonsense and I should give the stock tune a shot first? Not looking for Kendo edge hold here, but I do not want to wash out either!

Chillax man - it is a 92mm underfoot ski with a pretty traditional if still somewhat progressive/modern shape - they will ski all but boilerplate (where titanal skis will have stronger edge hold) more than well enough. It could be that you would need to do some minor tweaks to the detuning or have them retuned to fit your requirements (or if the tune is wonky as can happen from all manufacturers), but I would not sweat it - ski them like they are out of the wrapper and take it from there. For a comparision, I moved my pair of jeff100 ripper rockers on after working on the tune a bit, but that was due to the ski's geometry and thus how they skied not being quite what I was looking for (the same story with my HL AM100s), not due to lack of edge hold. Dynastar M-Free 100s were my jam. Both AM100s and Jeff100rrs are good skis, great for the right skier.

[KeithKow]

Chillax man - it is a 92mm underfoot ski with a pretty traditional if still somewhat progressive/modern shape - they will ski all but boilerplate (where titanal skis will have stronger edge hold) more than well enough. It could be that you would need to do some minor tweaks to the detuning or have them retuned to fit your requirements (or if the tune is wonky as can happen from all manufacturers), but I would not sweat it - ski them like they are out of the wrapper and take it from there. For a comparision, I moved my pair of jeff100 ripper rockers on after working on the tune a bit, but that was due to the ski's geometry and thus how they skied not being quite what I was looking for (the same story with my HL AM100s), not due to lack of edge hold. Dynastar M-Free 100s were my jam. Both AM100s and Jeff100rrs are good skis, great for the right skier.

Thanks, this group is good threapy for me! Will probably just retune at 1 degree then for now. I am an east coast guy now skiing the rockies so the concept of skidding does not sit well with me. Looking forward to getting on these, first set of ON3Ps!

[Going Coastal]

I am not that concerned about edge grip on my next ski. The C98s get decent edge grip when tuned for it, so they would still get use when things are unfortunately firm and I wouldn't have to compromise on the tune.

Spring was definitely the most frustrating time with the C98s, so thats some good feedback. I will be keeping an eye out for a pair now.

[BeHuWe]

Cause looking down at cool skis matters


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[oetk2]

Ya those are sweet lookin

[Doremite]

Nice work, Be!

[N1CK.]

1. pics work again? praise Ullr. 2. that is some SERIOUS coffee station pron you have there.

[dschane]

Right, drooling over the skis and the coffee/espresso making gadgetry.

[tgapp]

ya I'm here for the coffee setup

the skis look sick too tho

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[BeHuWe]

Caffeine and powder, it’s what’s important and the likely the key to happiness


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[Jimi_Lee]

yummy!

[grinch]

After i demoed my knee last winter i lent my asym BG's to a buddy. He skis on an ul fat ski with dynafits and a skinny touring ski w atk. The BG's with pivots melted his mind i think. He's on the lookout for 179ish bg's or steeples of any vintage now if anyome is looking to unload or update their BG

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[oetk2]

Good job helping him see the light

[grinch]

Easiest sell ever. "Here try these"

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[SchralphMacchio]

The BG's with pivots melted his mind i think. He's on the lookout for 179ish bg's or steeples of any vintage now if anyome is looking to unload or update their BG

Grinch I may be moving on from my 179 BG116s, Pivots for 295mm on the line, no other mounts, but I won’t have a better sense of that until the North American season gets rolling. They ski well and were immediately confidence inspiring for me to send some chutes and cliffs on my second run, but they could use a bit more detuning to loosen the tails even more in Oregon thicc pow.

I sensed more upside and more jiving with the core characteristics with the 182 BG118s that initially felt too stiff for me when mounted at -10.5. If the 118s ski well for me between -7 and -9.5 then I’ll be moving the 116s out.

[skuff]

Any word on the 112 and 114 Jeffrey prototypes sold on the ON3P website? Already own the 108 in 186 and 191, and bought the 118 last year but am curious about the tweener models

[grinch]

Grinch I may be moving on from my 179 BG116s, Pivots for 295mm on the line, no other mounts, but I won’t have a better sense of that until the North American season gets rolling. They ski well and were immediately confidence inspiring for me to send some chutes and cliffs on my second run, but they could use a bit more detuning to loosen the tails even more in Oregon thicc pow.

I sensed more upside and more jiving with the core characteristics with the 182 BG118s that initially felt too stiff for me when mounted at -10.5. If the 118s ski well for me between -7 and -9.5 then I’ll be moving the 116s out.

Ok cool , that could work. Ill pass it along to my buddeh.
FTR i went +1 on my bg's and preferred it. So much i went +1.5 on my bg 110 tours. Neither of them tip dive and they pivot and also rail hardpack much better. The biggest dofference found was on the bg 110 tours with atk's. At stock mount they got kicked around on groomers or hard back on a lap or 3 before i would go to the sidecountry. It was night and day. Plus 1.5 and i could pin it thru anything without thinking. Even edge pressure tip to tail. Refrozen spring before it softened up all of a sudden was just super fun shit fuck conditions. I wasnt sure it would work. I thought the problem my just be the light weight tour ski and pintech bindings. The mount forward move made me sooo happy. Love those skis now. I was worried before that
Keep me in mind for sure, i think that time frame would be the best for him too. He's just started saving for winter

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